Below are listed all the known public houses, past and present, in Redhill with pictures and information
To see a similar list for Reigate public houses go to Pubs of Reigate
If you have any information that could be added to this page please contact author
This page has been compiled by Alan Moore. Additional information has kindly been supplied by Richard Symonds.
To see a new website by Richard Symonds dealing with the History of Brewing in Reigate and Redhill please visit http://reigatebreweryhistoryhomepage.blogspot.com/
Richard Symonds is also the author of the book pictured here. Available from the author, Richard Symonds, 147 Farhalls Crescent, Horsham, West Sussex RH12 4BU. 117 pages tell all that is known about brewing in Reigate and Redhill with numerous pictures, maps, plans and other illustrations. Published 2001 at £14.95 + £3 p&p (The pub information below is additional to material in the book)
To find out more about Richard and to see additional information posted by him on pubs and breweries other than Redhill and Reigate visit http://www.blogger.com/profile/09385195278663366884
Note - Most pub names are preceded by the word 'The' but in the list below that word is omitted in the interests of brevity so will have to be assumed. Pubs named in Black are no longer with us; Pubs names in BLUE indicate that the name has been changed; pubs shown in Red are serving beer.
Abbott - Station Road East One of a breed of new pubs whose names appear to be picked with a pin. Built in 1997. The number of pubs in Redhill town centre had been on the decline for years prior to the arrival the first of the new pubs the Sun, followed by the Abbott, which was built on a plot of ground in Station Road next to the Arcade where other buildings had been demolished as a part of the regeneration of Redhill, and diagonally opposite the railway station. Plans were approved in May 1996. Here building has just got under way, and in the 2nd picture the girder work is in place and the size of the finshed building can be judged Work approaching completion in 1997. The notice on the white hoarding says 'A NEW GREENE KING PUB, THE ABBOTT'. How the name was arrived at is unknown.
Albatross - see 'The Joshua Tree' Anchor - see The Garland
Bell - 39, North Street (Added thanks to email from Arthur Hawkes - see bottom of this page)
Stood opposite the old Test Centre. Demolished 1958/59. Addresss no longer exists. May have had an ale house associated with it, perhaps located as a separate building at the rear. (If anyone has a picture I would be very grateful for a copy - AJM)
Alfred James Greenop listed there in 1907 Kelly's Directory - Thomas Vigar was the licencee in 1940
Additional information from Richard Symonds about the Bell
Situated in North Street, Redhill (street address approx no 39). A beer retailer and later a public house circa 1900 when George Charman was landlord. Later demolished. The Reigate petty-sessional report 1892 described the property as a beerhouse, licensed prior to 1869; owned by Charles Dagnall of Horley, brewer, and tied by trade to the Hornchurch Brewery Co. The tavern was run by C Aldridge who resided on the premises. The Inn was frequented by cottagers and gardeners. (Charles Dagnall was plying his trade from the Five Bells, Horley, where there was a brewhouse attached.)
Email from Tony painter May 2011
I remember The Bell in North Street as a cosy pub at the end of a row of terraced cottages. It had an alleyway alongside it leading to a couple of small cottages. In the 1950s the landlord was George Clements a rather ruddy faced and jovial publican. He had, as far as I can recall, two sons, Colin and Gerald. They were(are) about my age, born in the 1940s. As a youngster I often used to play with the Clements boys at the sports ground in Redhill. Where are they now, I wonder?
Thanks, Tony. This is one of the few pubs of which I don't have a photo, so your memories of it are great - AJM
Britannia - 18 Brighton Road The Britannia once stood on what is now the frontage of Pet's Mart. Started as a 19c beer shop and demolished when the road was widened in 1960. The kerb seen in this picture was where the present white line in the centre of the Brighton Road is today.
(Picture courtesty Mr Stanley.Sharp)
Information from Richard Symonds - Built in the 19th century as a beershop the Sharp family had occupancy for over 40 years. The Petty Sessional report 1892 lists the Britannia as a beerhouse, licensed prior to 1869. Owned and tied for trade to Messrs Crowley of Croydon, brewers; Run by E Baldock who resided on the premises; Frequented by cottagers and labourers. List of proprietors: - 1900-1905 David Sharp - 1909-1910 Mrs Nancy Sharp - 1915-1930 Archibald Sharp 1932-1940 Mrs Florence E Sharp 1940-1942 Daniel Fergusson Spottiswood 1942-1944 Mrs Elsie V Martin 19461954 J R Martin 19541960. Edwin Howard.
About the Sharp family: In 1891 David Sharp and his family were living at Mount Stables, Gatton Road Reigate. David Sharp age 50, Nancy 48, James 20, Archibald 14 scholar, William 12 scholar (there was also another brother and sister). c1895 the family moved to The Railway Inn pub at Earlswood. In 1895 William Sharps home address in his marine papers is given as The Railway. In 1900 they moved to The Britannia. The 1901 census shows James and Archibald as barmen there. Nancy Sharp died 9 June 1919. The Britannia was run by Archibald from 1905 until he died in 1931. In the beginning he ran it with Nancy then with his wife Florence. After Archibald's death Florence Sharp ran it until she left in 1938. (Information courtesy Andrew Sharp) David and Nancy Sharp outside the Railway Inn c1901. The boy with them is either Archibald or William. Archibald was born 1876, William in 1878. For more about the Railway Inn see under its present name, the Joshua Tree. David, Nancy, son and dog (Picture courtesy Andrew Sharp) Archibald's wife Florence and their son Albert (b1921) outside the Britannia c.1930 (Picture courtesy Andrew Sharp) Archibald Sharp behind the bar in the Britannia in September 1924
(Picture courtesy Andrew Sharp)
Archibald Sharp is sat in the centre of the front row of this group. The event was a cricket match, possibly between licences victuallers in the area, at the Ring on Earlswood Common in the 1930s.
(Picture courtesy Andrew Sharp)
Bricklayers Arms - Gatton Point (Also known as the Monson Arms) There is a small mystery about this public house. On the 1861 map it is shown at Gatton Point and listed simply as a public house owned and occupied by William Peters, no name being given. On the 1871 map shown below it is clearly shown as being the Bricklayers Arms. In an Allinghams street directory of c1885-8 it is listed as the Monson Arms and the name of the occupier is W. Rowland. Information from a lost source has the pub demolished in 1891, and reference to a street directory of 1898 (the next chronologically that I have) shows that there is no mention of it. As no other information is available we can only accept that the records are correct and that this pub existed under at least two names.
This 1871 map shows London Road joining Croydon Road at Gatton Point, here called Gatton Corner. It is reported to have been demolished in 1891 and is not listed in the 1898 street directory.
Email from David King: - I found your article very interesting as William Peters was a relation of mine. He was Born 1795 and died 1868. In the 1841 census he was shown as a bricklayer, which maybe why the pub was named. His son b 1820 d after 1891 was also a bricklayer. Sarah Peters wife of the older William was shown as Publican in 1871 census. NOTES TO ABOVE: - It seems that it was the son who was the proprietor of the Bricklayers Arms. I've since lost David King's email address but if he would re-contact me perhaps he could confirm this. AJM
1841 census William Peters aged 45 Bricklayer
Wife is Susannah aged 40
Daughter Maria aged 15
1851 censusWilliam Peters aged 56 Victualler
Wife Susannah aged 52
1861 census William Peters 66 Victualler
Wife Susannah 62
Daughter Maria 36
1871 census Sarah peters aged 74 Bricklayers Arms Gatton Point
Brickmakers Arms - Kings Avenue Kings Avenue was also known as 'Sots Hole' because of the drunks produced by the pub. Lost its licence by 1910.
Picture and above courtesy Richard Symonds
Of 19c origin; lost its licence 1888-1910. Demolished 1930s. Sign was near Pendleton Road.
Notes re children from the Brickmakers Arms attending St John's School
Herbert Abram, born 11.6.1882, started at St John's Infants' School on 16.4.1888, parent William Abram, address Brickmaker's Arms, (reg. No. 25) May Abram born 30.4.1884, started at St John's Infants' School on 3.12.1888, parent William Abram, Brickmaker's Arms, Kings Alley (entry 652) John Moore, born 30.8.1891, started at St John's Infants' School 30.8.1991, parent Elizabeth Moore, Brickmaker's Arms, Kings Alley (register entry 652) Lily Moore, born 1.3.1890, started at St John's Infants' School on 1.5.1893, parent Louis Moore, address Brickmakers Arms , Kings Alley (entry 534) Florence Maud Millard born 7.3.1894, started at St John's Infants' School 27.8.1900, parent William, addresss The Bricklayers Arms (register No. 894)
Email received 9.3.2005 - My Aunt and Uncle, Ethel and Roff Biggs lived in Kings Avenue from the 1930's to about 1962. When I was a boy I was told how there used to be a rowdy beer house nearby and my uncle claimed to have dug up a number of very old bottles over the years when digging his garden. This is the first time I have ever seen a picture of this pub, or had any proof of it's existence. Very interesting. Mark Chadwick
Bridge Hotel - Arch Road ` Built by Thomas Barefoot in 1854 and bought by the Royal Earlswood Asylum in 1863. Demolished(?).
There was a public house in Redhill, the name of which was at first unknown and seemed to pose a mystery. It was in, or on the site of, the building now occupied by the Jolly Tots Nursery that stands next to the railway bridge under which the left fork into the grounds of the Royal Earlswood Asylum, now a housing estate, passes. This road links the main A23 across Earlswood Common to Princes Way, Earlswood. Its existence was brought to my attention by Gary Brown who emailed me as follows:
- Alan, this may or may not be relevant , but I have bought one of the lodge houses at the Royal Earlswood Asylum. We advertised for any information on the lodges but unfortunately drew a blank. While looking into the site of the Asylum I was informed that the building now used for Jolly Tots Nursery was indeed an inn or pub. This lies on Asylum Arch Road across the golf course under a railway bridge. My house is West Lodge , and lies on the junction to asylum arch road and Prince's road - Regards Gary Brown .
..........Not having any previous knowledge of the building in question I went to have a look. I parked and walked by West Lodge just as Gary Brown was driving out. He stopped and we had a chat, he showed me around West Lodge and then I went to look at the building. The people now in occupation said they knew nothing of its origins and had no deeds. I left none the wiser and went home to consult maps.
..........The only record I could find of the pub was on Eve's tithe map of 1860, where the building and the ground it occupied is referred to in item 52 on page 25 of the accompanying terrier as being owned by a Dr. Andrew Reed. (Dr.Reed was a leading philanthropist of the time and founder of the Earlswood Asylum). The property was occupied by a Richard Eldridge and stated to consist of the public house itself, a garden and an orchard. Richard Eldridge was also listed as occupier of the neighbouring plots 50, 51, 53, 54 and 55, all of which were fields and were again owned by Dr Reed. The London Brighton and South Coast Railway was situated to the west of the public house (carried by the adjacent bridge I mentioned) and the Earlswood Asylum was also very close by, being slightly south of the building in question. The public house was on a (then) unnamed road to the west of Prince's Road which still exists today. This is Asylum Arch Road named in Gary's email.
..........I emailed the Surrey history Centre at Woking who compared the site of plot number 52 on the 1860-61 parish map to several of the Ordnance Survey maps that they hold for the same area. The first edition map of 1871 shows two buildings on the site, neither of which is labelled as being a public house. Later editions for 1896, 1913 and 1934 show a slightly larger building on the site occupied by the building on the left of the earlier map and which is labelled as a school on the 1934 edition only. A later Ordnance Survey map of 1962 (scale 1:2500, ref. TQ2748), shows a building of the same outline on the site again but it is not labelled as a school. The building is again on an unnamed road which links to Prince's Road on the east and to the Brighton Road (A23) on the west.
..........They also checked Kelly's Directory of Surrey for the years 1855 and 1867 but were not able to find any references to the owners or the occupiers of the public house in the sections for Reigate and Redhill. The electoral registers for the same period for the eastern division of Surrey again did not include entries for either Richard Eldridge or Dr Andrew Reed in the section for the Reigate area.
..........Finally, they checked the County of Surrey Detailed Return of Fully-Licensed Houses and Beer Houses in the Several Petty Sessional Divisions, February 1892. The section for the Borough of Reigate and which includes Reigate Foreign, lists a number of pubs in the Earlswood and Brighton Road areas but without an address for the building in question, it was difficult to say whether any of these might be the place that was being searched for. The probability is that by this date the building had long since ceased to be a public house.
..........Then I finally associated this pub with the Bridge Hotel I already had an entry for, except that I had always thought of the Arch Road reference as meaning Three Arch Road. Substitute Asylum Arch Road instead and the mystery is solved. Grateful thanks to Gary Brown for the original email and to Rhona Leyland for the investigative work at Surrey History Centre. AJM May 2002. . .
The British Workman - 47 High Street, Redhill (corner High St and Grove Rd.) Causeway - See Nags Head Crocks - High Street (see Dog and Duck) Chestnut - Earlswood (Originally the Station Hotel) NOTE: - Victor Francis Rogers started at St John's Infants' School 1.11.1897, parent John Rogers, addresss The Station Inn (register No. 936)
Dog and Duck - Corner of High Street and Cromwell Road Originally the Tower, then Crocks, then The Office, now the Dog and Duck, this pub holds the record locally for name changes. . It had two storeys until around the 1920/30s when a third was added. Above is the two-storey Tower public house in 1886 The Tower c1900 with a 'PORTER' board on its Cromwell Road side. In this pre-1934 picture of Redhill High Street the building is still only two storeys high By the 1950s a third floor and the Tower Wine Store had been added. Presumably the old building had been completely demolished and a new one built. In the above 1950s picture the shop blind obscures most of the Tower pub but at least the sign is visible The Tower pub in the 1950s or 60s from a painting by Mr Cannon By 1993 the redevelopment of Redhill had left the pub, now called Crocks, as one of the few remaining old pubs in the town The pub when it was known as The Office In April 1998 the cladding of the pub front with timber accompanied the name being changed to the Dog and Duck Email from A.J.Miller 20th March 2007 - It would appear that the license of the Tower Inn "passed" from Henry Topliss (who was still alive and inn-keeper at the census of 3rd-4th April 1881), possibly via or because of his daughter, Caroline, to her second husband, Henry Rowland (her first husband Alfred Peskett died on 3rd February 1888 and she remarried in the 2nd quarter of 1890). The 1891 census records Henry Rowland as Licensed Victualler at 33 High Street. Henry Rowland died in 1893 and, at the 1901 census; William Henry Peskett Carolines son by Alfred Peskett was recorded as Licensed Victualler. Im afraid I am unable to shed light on the licence between Henry Topliss death and 5th April 1891 or between then and 31st March 1901 as I have only the census data; though it may be a reasonable assumption that it stayed within the family rather than going out and returning. I have no knowledge about the ownership of the property itself, though might suspect it was in the family as I would have thought it more likely that an heir to the property become licensee; I have no knowledge of licensing law at all, let alone at that time, but would be surprised if a licence could be inherited then, though would envisage one was easier to obtain if it could be shown that the person had worked in the trade. There is no indication of Alfred (or Caroline) working at the Tower he was a stone mason though that would not preclude him and/or her helping, as they seem to have been living there in 1881.Alfred and Caroline are on an offshoot of the Peskett line that I am tracing. I have no contact with that branch of the family and can offer no more information or sources. The census and BMD data are in the public domain, all I am providing is the fruit of my research into it. Do feel free to use the information and pass it to the Barbara Pocock mentioned as providing information on your site, though she clearly has more interest in the Topliss line. See also information from Barbara Pocock about the Tower ph posted immediately below for the Dragon
Dragon (formerly George and Dragon) - Cromwell Road Previously the George and Dragon, a much better name. Like all Redhill pubs the Dragon has benefited from the office development, especially in the summer as it had a prominent garden and attracts a plentiful clientele..
Information from Richard Symonds The Dragon - formerly the George & Dragon. (39?) Cromwell Road, Redhill Deeds I have seen are: 4 Oct 1862 Conveyance. British land Co to Mr William Woodman, who purchased the land at Auction 18th Sept 1862. 26 March 1864. Conveyance. William Woodman to Nalder & Collyer, brewers, Croydon. 26 March 1864. Mortgage. Nalder & Collyer to Mrs & Miss Cox, for receiving £500 and interest at 5%. 31 Dec 1883. Reconveyance. Executors under the will of Miss Mary Cox to Howard Nalder. 3 Nov 1888. Conveyance. The George & Dragon PH from Howard Nalder and Howard Frederick Nalder Esquires to Nalder & Collyers Brewery Co Ltd (this is obviously when N&C became a Ltd company). 7 jan 1964. Copy extract from the deed of Exchange. Ind Coope Ltd and Ind Coope (London) Ltd. Petty Sessional report 1892 gives The George & Dragon, West Street. Fully Licensed. Owned and tied for trade by Nalder & Collyer of Croydon, brewers. Run by C Alford who resides on the premises. Frequented by Tradesmen and artisans.
List of landlords: - 1878. Edward Goodson Alford -1891-1895 Caroline Alford - 1882. Elizabeth Alford - 1900-1902. Charles Doughty - 1902-1930 Gilbert F Topliss - 1936-1956. Harry D Topliss - 1965-1968. A F Sims
Note: (1907 street directory shows Harry D. Topliss. To try to resolve who was the publican and when reference to the 1901 census shows -
39 Cromwell Road - Gilbert F Topliss - aged 44 - Publican - born in Redhill, Surrey
.............................. Elizabeth Topliss - aged 43 - wife ..... - born Chagford, Devon
.............................. Harry Topliss ..... - aged 17 - son .......- born Redhill
............................. Nellie Topliss ..... - aged 13 - daughter - born London Camberwell
............................. Stanley Topliss ... - aged 10 - son ...... - born London Deptford
............................. Gilbert Topliss .... - aged 6 . - son ...... - born London Bretchley?
From this it seems that Gilbert snr had originated in Redhill and had worked in London after the birth of his first son and had then returned to Redhill.
This WW1 Memorial board, or Roll of Honour, used to be on the wall of the George and Dragon. The 2nd name, that of Cpl S.Topliss, was that of the brother of landlord Gilbert Topliss listed above.(Picture of Memorial board courtesy Mr Murray)
Information on Pte W.Ward appears further down
The George and Dragon in 1961 when nearby flats were being built in Sincots Road. The pub, then the George and Dragon, is seen left of picture at the bottom of the hill. The building alongside it has been replaced by the present extension.
A postcard from the George and Dragon to a soldier in 1914
This postcard was sent on 25th February 1914 to Bombadier Arthur Debenham, 33 Coy RGA, Golden Hill Fort, Freshwater, IOW. The view is towards Redhill station from the bridge from Frenches Road across to Wiggie
The Message on the card reads: George & Dragon, Redhill. 24th Feb 1914. Sorry I did not acknowledge reseipt of your letter and card before, they are being done so I shall forward them as early as possible. Hope your are enjoying good health. I'm A1 myself. Best of luck, Top. Top was either the publican Gilbert Topliss or his 17 year old son Harry. The company number on the postcard's address looks like 22 but is almost certainly 33 as this was the company of the Royal Garrison Artillery that was stationed at Golden Hill Fort on coastal defence duties. Arthur Debenham was either in the army reserve or was already a full time soldier as WW1 did not begin until 28th July 1914, just over five months after this card was posted..
With the name changed to the Dragon and the nearby road layout altered the pub now caters
for many of the office population of the town.
Above the garden is in good use on a sunny
day in the 1990s
A picture from an elevated position in 2002 that shows the setting of the pub, with what was once Cromwell Road secondary School behind.
(Many thanks to Graham Bartlett for this picture
Further information received from Barbara Pocock. I have just been looking at your web site and in particular details of the pubs in Redhill. In respect of the George & Dragon I was interested to see the list of Landlords. Gilbert Frederick Topliss shown as the Landlord 1902 to 1930 was my husband's Great Grandfather and we have his pewter beer mug which used to hang behind the bar at the George & Dragon. Although your note shows him as Landlord from 1902, the 1901 Census shows him as the Publican of the George and Dragon.
.........Harry Davey Topliss shown as the Landlord from 1936 to 1956 was one of Gilbert's sons, as was Stanley Topliss shown on the Roll of Honour. Also, Gilbert Frank Topliss, another son of Gilbert Fredrick Topliss and brother of Harry Davey Topliss and Stanley Topliss was Landlord of The Nob (now the Joshua Tree) for a few years about 50 years ago.
........I was sorry to see that there was not much detail in respect of the Tower Inn as Gilbert Frederick Topliss's father Henry Topliss was the Publican at the Tower Inn in Redhill from at least 1861 to his death in 1881 and several of his children, of which there were 12, worked at the Tower at some stage. In the early 1860's Henry was also a Town Councillor and a member of the Reigate Volunteer Fire Brigade.
........Pubs obviously ran in the family because Henry's eldest daughter Caroline Elizabeth Topliss married Alfred Peskett whose father William Peskett was the Publican of The Jolliffe Arms Merstham from at least 1861 to his death in 1883. Another of Henry's children, Walter Topliss was Publican at Leigham Arms in Streatham.
........Many thanks for the information, Barbara
Email from Jerry Kelley, USA, January 2010
.......My wife and I were married in Redhill in 1967. I was stationed at RAF Lakenheath (1966-1969). My wife's best friends step-father was from Redhill. In any case I saw your web site and very much enjoyed it as it brought back many pleasant memories. We had our reception at the Queens Arms. As you pointed out the Queens Arms was run from 1966 1971 by Jim & Vicky Dansie. I would like to add to your information. Jim and Vicky Dansie went on to the Desert Rat in Reigate. Their son Jimmy Dansie was the youngest publican in Britain at the George and Dragon in Redhill in 1966 or 1967.
Email from Philip Davies June 2011
.......Very interested in your web pages, in particular the George and Dragon in Cromwell Road. I was quite excited to see the plaque of those who served in WW1 as my grandfather Wally Ward is on the list . Wally used to live in Cromwell Road and my mother as a child used to walk down to find him in the pub and tell him it was time to go home! Also she used to be sent with a jug for ale. I guess the plaque has long disappeared but it is quite salutary to not the number of casualties from one small pub in the town. Before WW1 Walter played for Redhill Football Club, first as centre-forward and later as centre-half. He was captain 1914-15. He saw active service during WW1 and was severely woumded, spending twelve months in Birmingham War Hospital. It was these wounds that eventually contributed to his death aged 55 in February 1939
.......I enclose some relevant photos.
Wally just after WW1 in hospital recovering from his wounds Both sides of a runners-up medal held by Wally for the Surrey League 1904-5 season Wally Ward in later life Many thanks to Philip Davies for the above wonderful reminders of times past.
CLOSURE OF THE DRAGON PUB - OPENING OF LE PAPILLON The Dragon for sale early 2009
(Photo © Copyright Ian Capper and licensed for reuse under Creative Commons Licence)
As Le Papillon in November 2009
The Dragon was closed when I visited in November 2009 and possibly closed much earlier (see below). If anyone knows the reason please email me. Le Papillon opened its doors as a pub and restaurant on Saturday December 12th 2009. Below in reverse date order are comments about the pub sent to a pub guide website that tell a story. 12 Dec 2009 - Looks set to open as a restaurant - maybe in time for Christmas!? 30 Apr 2009 - Closed 23 Dec 2008 - Refurbed but still has the worst toilets in Redhill - 6 Oct 2008 - Very sadly, this place seems to be on its last legs - the main door is blocked off and I had to double check that the place was actually open when I found the back door. Looks more like a chinese restaurant than a pub, no real ale (only Master Brew or Bishops Finger in bottled form), and no other customers in at 6pm. Had a good chat with the landlord who put certain things in context, but I can only hope that something can be found to turn things around to restore the evening trade - Redhill can't afford to loose one of its few (potentially) decent pubs. 16 Sep 2008 - An interesting menu and good price, (chef perhaps over-eager with the sugar & oil) but I was the only customer 8pm with a family staff of 4. Don't offer any draught bitter as 'nobody asks for it'. However, it seems unlikely there's local demand for not 1 but 2 oriental lagers on draught. Nice people, wish them well, but perhaps they might try investing in a small barrel of bitter. Meanwhile locals will morn the death of a pub with no beer. Shame, a small 'snug bar' (separated from the rather overpowering cooking smells at the open bar) might give them a second income. Also real ale & good oriental food is a perfect combination. - 17 Jun 2008 - The Dragon has been taken over by a pleasant Chinese family (from Liverpool) and the pub now has a good atmosphere with excellent Chinese food. Very popular with office workers at lunchtime as it has the best pub grub in Redhill. All previous posts are out of date. 21 Jun 2007 - I was about to pop in on monday night after reading the favorable previous comment, only to see the lights switched off as I approached (just after 10pm). If you want custom - you MUST cater for it during at least the standard 11am-11pm hours. I might be back or then again how will I know if they fancy an early night or not?
19 Jun 2007 - Perfectably reasonable Sheps pub in the centre of Redhill on the one way system through the town centre. There's a conservatory and outdoor drinking area for good weather days. Normally when you're the only customer in a pub at 4 o'clock on a Saturday afternoon, it speaks volumes about the pub and it's usually pretty obvious why it's so deserted, but I have to say I'm puzzled in this case. Perhaps one of the ex-regulars ( or current regulars if there are any ) can enlighten us ? 6 Mar 2007 - Hi there I have been going in this pub for a while. I have found the land lord to be quite pleasant.I have heard on the grape vine that he is leaving as there has been no help from the brewery. But SHOCK HORROR now that he is, the brewery have painted the pub for him. It is well worth a swifty one. I have never had any probs with this pub. 26 Nov 2006 - Sheps have let this place go. Was in there for a quick pint a few weeks ago on a Saturday evening. The few blokes at the bar were pretty unpleasant and I had already decided to leave when they did. When I left short afterwards it was just the landlord & landlady left.. at 8.30pm on a Saturday evening. Felt sorry for them having so little trade as they seemed to be trying their best. Would not be surprised if Shepherd Neame offloaded this pub. Could be so much better. 27 Oct 2006 - Not a bad pub.I've been here quite a few times and I've enjoyed it. - undated - Bit of a quiet pub
Elm Shades - Pendleton Road (Also named the Earlswood Arms for a while) For all of its life to 1995 known as the Elm Shades, Shepherd and Neame decided to change the name to the Earlswood Arms after a two month refurbishment. No one seemed to like the change and the name was returned to the original Elm Shades in July 2002. As far as is known this is the only local pub this has happened to.
As Elm Shades left and Earlswood Arms right
Email re Elm Shades,
Interesting reading through your page on pubs, my father Roy Woolsey was landlord of the Elm Shades for over 20 years during 70s 80s and 90s. He also was the landlord in charge of the Anchor and was responsible for renovating and renaming it to the Garland. I ran the Garland for quite a few years in the early 90s.We as a family, have lived in Redhill for nearly 40 years, originally living in the house next door to the Elm Shades (24, Fountain Road St Johns) I now live on the old General Hospital Site, St Johns Park, where I was born, my youngest now goes to St Johns, where I also attended as a child. If you need any further info on these premises, or are missing any info on the above areas I will be only too happy to help.
The Elm Shades in the 1960s. The sign on the side advertises Double Diamond
As a result of the no smoking ban due on July 1st 2007 Shepherd Neame, the owners of the Elm Shades, decided to enhance and expand outside areas of many of their pubs for smokers. When this work was being carried out at the Elm Shades a well was discovered. The well has been made a central feature in the new area along with two old iron bedheads that were found in it. These have been hung on the wall and can be seen in the background. The water level is about thirty feet down. The bricks in the wall have no frogs so are probably victorian. The edge of the water shows as a broken circle of light. The opening of the top of the well is seen as a round patch of light with the outline of myself taking the picture. The view to the road from the smoking area The smoking area is a considerable size, containing two 'jumbrellas' with heaters. There is also a boule area where matches are played against other pubs The pub's name at the end of the boule area is made up from the letters saved when it was changed back from THE EARLSWOOD ARMS Thanks to Pete, the licencee, and his wife, for giving me a tour of the pub area and allowing the above pictures to be taken and shown here. The bar The bar area
Firlot and Firkin - Corner of High Street and Station Road West The Wheatsheaf c1890 as originally built After rebuilding in 1900 The name change to O'Neills took place in July 2001. This picture taken in 2002 Known as the Wheatsheaf for well over a century this pub couldn't be more central if it tried. Either you have no opinion about pub name changes or you feel that the change to the Firlot and Firkin was as ridiculous as the change to the name of Reigate's Red Cross. No doubt future generations will look back and say it was a sign of the times and as such is a part of history. However, with the changes that have taken place in the town, O'Neill's seemed to fit a little better with the modern town scene. And now (July 2007) there's another change, this time to The Junction at Redhill. Name changes are making it a little silly that this pub is still listed here under Firlot and Firkin - perhaps I'll get around to laying this page out differently to reflect rapidly changing trends - or perhaps I'll just leave it until the next change is made.
.....As the Wheatsheaf it was probably built fairly early on in Redhill's history when people were more familiar with wheatsheafs, but the present building is not the original, the old one having been demolished and rebuilt as the present structure in 1900. There was a bit of controversy about the woodwork that gives its attractiveness, as it apparently flaunted a law stating how much protection from fire there must be in all new buildings at the time. Ironically, before it was a year old it had its roof damaged by fire as a consequence of the Nicols building opposite burning to the ground in Redhill's worst ever fire. ..................................... This picture of the Wheatsheaf kindly sent in by Bob Sargent
.....I offered the Charge Hand £50 for the Wheatsheaf sign when the building was
renovated and the name changed in the late 1990s but obviously spoke to the wrong person as the Clerk of Works gave it to someone else - a bit of a Firlot and Firkin shame.
.....Anyway, the pub has since changed hands; it's no longer owned by Mitchell and Butler and is now a Trust Inns pub - see pictures below.
After several week's refurbishment the signs go up. Redhill railway station was once called Redhill Junction but as the signpost on the pub sign indicastes, it's the crossroads in the centre of the town that are referred to in this case. Pictures taken 24th - 26th July 2007 Hooking it on Looks like they're happy with that As The Wheatsheaf - Firlot and Firkin - O'Neills was a pub I'd never been in I thought I'd go into the Junction at Redhill. Here's the bar looking south in July 2007 And the bar looking north Part of the downstairs bar area More about the Wheatsheaf
This information is part of an e-mail received from Mark Corrigan, who knew the Wheatsheaf in the 1970s. Mark also knew the Home Cottage, but from a slightly different perspective. More of his e-mail appears on the Home Cottage part of this page. His e-mail address appears on the 'Contacts' page.
My name is Mark Corrigan and I was very pleased to find your site, in particular the pubs feature. I went to Redstone County Secondary Modern in Noke Drive for three years from 1973 to 1976 and have nothing but fond memories of that time. My father, Gerald Corrigan, was Licensee of The Wheatsheaf for a year where we lived on site until moving to The Rocket in Crawley but I carried on my Schooling at Redstone, travelling either by train or moped. The Wheatsheaf was a super pub to live in and I was particularly fond of the Bar Billiards, a game that I was rather good at and played for the pub team despite being under age. We had a function room upstairs (now the upstairs bar) which was the meeting room for the local Buffalo (masons) Lodge. There were certificates and photos of members on the walls but pride of place went to a piece of log which was hollowed out to form an urn which carried the ashes of the lodge's founder and a small plaque. One day when I was cleaning the room following a meeting I noticed the lid was not on properly, as I replaced it I looked inside and found a large cigar butt stuck in it, what respect!
Wonderful stuff, Mark, thanks for sharing it. AJM
Email received from Claire Taylor September 2008
Hi, Your pubs web page is excellent. I wanted to give you some more information on two pubs in Redhill. The Railway Inn and the Wheatsheaf were both owned by my great Uncle in the past. Charles Joseph Horth born 1880, married to Ethel Bruger in 1909 and died 1952. He owned the Railway Inn aka The Nobb from 1913 to 1920ish and the Wheatsheaf from 1920ish to 1938 when he moved into 47 Ladbroke Road. I lived in the same house from age 7 to 18 (1970 to 1986) We used to have some of the old pub windows and my brother now possesses the beer glasses engraved Horth. I am the happy owner of a number of the ash trays and a couple of water jugs advertising various tobacco products and alchoholic beverages. I hope the above information is of use to you.
Kind regards, Claire Taylor (nee Horth)
Pleased you like the page, Claire. Thanks for getting in touuch, it's nice to know that some of the old memorabilia is still about. AJM
Email received from Tony Painter May 2011
We have been in contact in the past and this time I have just a very small snippet relating to The Wheatsheaf in Redhill. As a child, I recall many a happy Christmas party upstairs when the licensees were George and Lou Noble. When they retired, the pub was taken over by Fred Rothwell (his wifes name escapes me). Fred subsequently moved on to The Black Horse on Reigate Heath.
My folks also frequented The Locomotive in Ladbroke Road for a similar period. If my memory serves me, the landlords in the 50s were Dave and June McGuire. Dave was a Canadian and a ice hockey player of some note.
Hope this information is of some use.
Very useful, Tony, thank you very much. All information gratefully received. AJM
Flying Scud - Brighton Road, Earlswood. Situated on the corner of the Brighton Road (The Cutting) and Woodlands Road a mile south of the town. The west side of the pub in 2007. There's a wall built in front of it and the original public bar entrance has been bricked up. An older pictureof the pub showing the original west side entrance The old public and saloon bars (and probably what was the jug and tap room) have been knocked together to form what is now one bar. This picture shows the centre of the bar The left (main road) side of the present bar was once the saloon bar. What was the saloon bar The decoration has a maritime theme to correspond with the pub's name Beers on tap in March 2007 were T.E.A. from the Hogs Head Brewery at Tongham and Courage Best. Other beers guest at various times..
Harry Funnell, born 9.6.1886, started at St John's Infants' School 6.5.1889, parent Joseph Funnell, addresss The Flying Scud, went on to the Boys' School 21.11. 1892 register No. 331)
Albert Funnell, born 9.6.1888, started at St John's Infants' School 1.6.1891, parent Joseph Funnell, addresss The Flying Scud, shown as going to the Girls' School 23.11.94 - lucky Albert - (register No. 331)
Edward Barnard, born 9.5.1893, started at St John's Infants' School 11.5.1896, parent Joseph Funnell, addresss The Flying Scud, went on to the Boys' School 21.11. 1892 (register No. 820)
Henry Hill is listed here in the 1907 Kelly's Directory
Email received January 2009 - At the suggestion of a friend of mine I looked at your web site on Redhill public houses (even though I live in New Zealand) and was delighted to see the Flying Scud is still going strong. My name is Mike Fennell and my wife Adele and I had the pleasure and honour of owning and running the Scud from 1990-2004 inc; it was a great locals pub and a period in our life we would not have missed for anything. Long may she continue to serve the locals of Earlswood. Mike and Adele Fennell. Sadly the Flying Scud closed Monday September 7th 2009, only eight months after the above email was received. Below are pictures taken shortly after The Flying Scud with many of its windows boarded and for sale signs up. By the look of the wording redevelopment is a distinct possibility. The south frontage onto Woodlands Road View along the Brighton Road frontage The west front The rear as seen over its Brighton Road boudary. The notice belatedly advertises what's on and asks at the botton 'Why not join us?'. (Photo © Copyright Ian Capper and licensed for reuse under Creative Commons Licence) The Scud being converted to flats at the end of October 2010 Looking a lot different in April 2011 and with flats offered for sale
Foresters Arms - Shaws Corner (Now The Hatch). Originally a workhouse and later run as a pub (or Inn) by a member of the Shaw family, at which time it was know as the Hatch, a reference to one of the town gates that is said to have existed close by at one time to prevent animals straying too far along the road.
The Hatch in 1904 before the war memorial was put on the island in the road opposite. The pub is the left hand part of the building pictured.
The following information is from Richard Symonds:
On 26th August 1851 the wheelwrights shop and land was enfranchised from The Earl Somers to Caleb Shaw, who conveyed it on the 30th March the following year to Simeon Shaw, blacksmith. Apparently, the property consisted of a Wheelwright's Shop with stable, formerly a barn belonging to a property known as Ganders, otherwise The Hatch (a copy of the plan from this document is attached).
Simeon had 6 children, Caleb, Charles, Zeporah (who married William Broadbridge, a blacksmith at Charlwood), William, Ester, and Ephrum.
Simeon promptly mortgaged the property to John Shaw on 31st March 1852 . John died Oct 1853 (will proved 12th Oct), and Simeon died Jan 1855 (will proved 20th Jan). The property passed to Caleb, who mortgaged it for £300 to Henry Pullen on 16th July the same year.
On 12th November 1861, the property was sold to John Young, brewer of Dorking for £620, before which time it had already changed from a wheelwrights to a beershop, as Eves census of 1861, gives it as Hereditament 884, and describes it as a Beershop, workshops and yard, owned by Anne Shaw, and run by William Shaw as a Free House. It is not clear whether Caleb had died and it was being run by his widow as I have no record of Calebs will or when it was proven, or whether Caleb concentrated as a blacksmith in the workshop and he left his wife to run the additional beershop as a means to earn extra income. Whatever the reason, I do have a record of Henry Pullen conveying the property to John Young also on the 12th Nov 1861. Being under mortgage, again it is not clear whether it was a joint agreement to sell, or whether Pullen pulled the plug on Caleb for possible repayment shortfall. That is, however, speculation.
The Petty Sessional Report 1892 describes the Foresters Arms, Reigate Road as a Fully-licensed house, owned by John Young of Dorking, Brewer, and tied to him for trade. It is run by J Garman who resides on the premises. The establishment is frequentsd by Travellers and artisans.
On 21st December 1895, the property was conveyed from John Young to Herbert & Henry Young, most probably a paper exercise to redistribute the estate portfolio of a growing brewery business.
On the 1st July 1897, John Young sold his brewery to Messrs Friary Holroyd & Healy of Guildford, by which time the tenant of the Foresters was Samuel Edwards. Part of the property was still a coachbuilders workshop and the occupier of this was a George Palmer.
I have a long gap in my records from here on, except of a record of an agreement between Messrs Friary Holroyd & Healys Brewery and Thos Warner dated 30th Dec 1902 concerning the boundary walls of the Foresters Arms.
By Feb 1933, the tenant was H Whiting.
On the 24th Feb 1938, A Phillips took over, but he was killed by enemy action in 1940. His widow remarried to become Mrs S Meadows and continued tenancy until 9th November 1967, when Mr R H Craze took over. He handed on the tenancy to J R Mullenger on 29th August 1974, who in turn passed it to Mr A T Clapp circa March 1977.
I have an incomplete list of proprietors as follows: 1861- ???? William Shaw .......1878-1897 William Edwards......1882- ???? Richard Price (note 4)......1891-1895 1897- ???? Samuel Edwards......John Garman....1899 (see note2) .....1900-1902 Moses A Freemantle....1903-1905 Edward Pooley..1907 .1909-1910 Henry C May......1915-1926 Curwen F Jones......1930-1933 Charles Holder ( see note1).....1933- ???? Henry Whiting (note 3)......1938-1940 Alfred Phillips......1942-1943 Mrs S Phillips .....1944-1967 Mrs S A Meadows ...1967-1974 Robbie and Pat Craze......1974-1977 Mr A T Clapp
NOTES 1- Chas Holder is listed in the 1927 Kelly's Directory 2-Moses Freemantle is listed in the 1899 Kelly's Directory 3- H.Whiting is listed in the 1936 and 1937 Kelly's Directories. 4- R. Price shown in 1888 Allihgham's Directory
------AAbove - As the Foresters Arms (Picture Richard Symonds) ----Photo1--
2 3 4 The front of the Hatch lit at night 14th Dec 2009 he Hatch sign photographed in 2008 A delivery in January 2010
Delivery at the Hatch January 2010 7 8 A view down into the cellar from outside Inside the cellar with the shute on the far side 9 10 This part of the bar area is on the Reigate side of the pub and has an warming open log fire. 11 12 The bar area seen above looking towards the front of the building. The wooden plate above the fire carries the old name of the pub, 'The Forester's Arms'. The bar at the front part of the pub 13 14a The Redhill side of the bar area also has a welcoming open log fire, this time with the name 'The Hatch' above it.. 14b 14c Since photo 13 above was taken the bar canopy has been painted with a WW2 Spitfire theme 15 16 View of the Redhill side of the bar looking towards the front of the pub. This side of the bar canopy has also been decorated in the Spitfire theme since this photo was taken. Five real ales on tap at the time of my visit - there have been more - and frequent changes are made 17 18a On my visit of January 25th 2010 I was fortunate that there was some Christmas Ale left. Another photo of the outside of the Hatch, this time showing a disused entrance from the days when there were separate bars. 18b 18c Noticed while walking by in early November 2010 that a fence had been added to the frontage The welcoming lights of the Hatch at night (photo taken January 2011 19 20
Photo 19 above shows the Hatch viewed in January 2010 from across Shaws Corned with the war memorial in front of it. The memorial was not built until 1923, five years after the end of the war whose dead it was to commemorate. The reason for the delay was the controversy about where best to site it and then, when Shaws Corner was chosen, further controvesy about the felling of the chestnut tree, seen above in photo 20, that then occupied the centre of the island. Even when the tree had been been felled feeling about its demise did not quite end there. The history of Redhill has not been lacking in poetry, and the War Memorial was no exception, as the chestnut tree was the subject of a poem competition at St Matthew's Girls' School. Pupils were asked to write a poem that had to begin, 'Under a spreading chestnut tree', and the winning entry was written by pupil Marjorie Adams in March 1923:-
Under a spreading chestnut tree,
Stood an old and rustic seat,
A seat with many tales to tell,
Of where lovers used to meet.
Many years out and many years in,
Have seen its blossoms bloom,
But now that tree has ended its days,
And so, has entered its doom.
This same old tree was standing,
In a space spread far and wide,
'Twas a very pretty picture
With houses on either side.
Its trunk was high, Its bark was thick,
Its branches long and shady
While underneath the green grass grew
Ah! 'Twas fit for any lady.
And many a time I've passed that spot,
On a beautiful August morning,
And seen the children playing there,
Those whose youth was dawning.
Yes, there they'd play with bat and ball,
On the cool refreshing grass,
While so many a person was seen to wait there,
For a 'bus that was likely to pass.
But now that tree has seen its days,
And has seen the pitiless saw,
For now it's down and a monument's there,
For those who died in the War.
The regulars at the Foresters would have been very familiar with that tree, even taking a pint across to drink under its brances. And Sunday, August 14th, 1940, only seventeen years after the tree was felled, was the first time that Borough residents were killed. Fourteen bombs fell in a line from Church Street, Reigate, to Hatchlands Road, Redhill. The Grammar School and the Parish Church were both damaged. A bomb in the centre of the road at Shaws Corner killed five people, injured six and damaged the Foresters Arms (now the Hatch), St Paul's Church and local houses. The publican of the Foresters Arms, Mr A. Phillips, was standing at the door at the time and was one of the fatalities. People on a bus - a 'bus that was likely to pass - were showered with glass.
A lovely photo taken by E.G.Warren of Earlswood of a group outside the Hatch (then the Foresters Arms). The date is unknown but the man in the striped apron is said to be the licensee Mervyn Phillips. He is also believed to be the licensee who was killed outside the Hatch during WW2 by enemy action. Information above says that he was the licensee from 1938 to 1940 but this picture seems to date from earlier than that. (photo courtesy Mrs E. Beacon and Roy Peacock)
Fountain - St John's (Fountain Road) Note: - The Fountain pub in the late 1800s was listed as in the St John's District. Later the road it was in was named Fountain Road, a name it retains to this day. Whether the road was named after the Fountain pub is unknown.
The Fountain pub The man standing outside is believed to be George Pattenden who died in 1927 (photo courtesy Barbara Fagence)
A beerhouse. Where the 'Fountain' name came from is unknown but there was a well on the green opposite, although in the old days there were wells everywhere. The bar room was at ground level and there were private rooms at a lower level with seven or eight steps down to them. There was also a club room at a higher level. The building was described as a house so presumably did not differ substantially from other houses around it, although it was smaller than the Elm Shades (now Earlswood Arms). Outbuildings included stabling and sanitary accommodations described as being old, so perhaps the house was of the same age, which could have meant one or more centuries.
.....The renewal of its licence was objected to unsuccessfully by the police in 1910. The owner at this time was Mr Bransbury of the Redhill Brewery who let it to a licensee at a rent of £30 per year. The licensee also worked as a labourer and the clientele were mainly working men. He, like the building, was described as old, and it was also stated that during the period 1873-1902 there had only been eight tranfers of license, so presumably he had been there since then. Interestingly it was also revealed that another licensed house 'taken away' in 1909 that had been within three hundred yards of the Fountain, and it would be nice to know which this was.
.....The police objections to the licence renewal centred on density of other licenced accomodation locally - they cited the Plough, Elm Shades, the Flying Scud and the Station Hotel (now Chestnut) - compared to the density of local population. They also said it was a long way from the police station. This latter statement also applied to these other ale and beerhouses (there was a difference), and as there were seven beerhouses and six alehouses in total within half a mile radius of the Fountain this seems a weak point. When the police witness, who was Inspector Skeggs, also said there had been no misconduct at the Fountain this must have totally destroyed the case for the police and the licence renewal was granted by magistrates. Finally closed in 1951.
An enlargement of the lefthand door of the pub.
In the 1888 street directory Mr W.B.Porter is listed at the Fountain, so was presumably the Licensee.
Note - :Mary Grace Pattenden b.31.1.1911, address the Fountain , Earlswood, started at St John's Infants' School 3.9.1917. She returned to London 2.11.1917. On 18.2.1918 she was re-admitted and went to the Girl's School on 31.7.1918
Another photo of the Fountain dating probably from the 1920s Some of the Pattenden family outside the Fountain in July 1929 (Both photos courtesy Mrs Barbara Fagence)
Garland (previously the Anchor Hotel) - Brighton Road Built as the Anchor in 1865 and now known as the Garland, presumably at least partly after nearby Garlands Road, which was itself named after a house called Great Garlands whose property it skirted, although the pub stands on the corner of the Brighton Road and Grovehill Road. This is one of the few pubs to which a change of name does at least mean something. It is shown here in the days before the name change and the moving of the door from where it is seen here to a porched entrance left of that position.
Additional information about The Garland (Anchor Hotel) from Richard Symonds.
The Anchor Inn was erected in 1865-6 on land purchased from the British Land Co Ltd on the south side of Grove Hill Road and Brighton Road junction. The site was acquired when various plots of freehold land were put up for auction during August 1864. This site was specifically put aside by the property developer with the possible erection of a tavern in mind. The history of this inn is uneventful; the site was lot 248 and the cost was the sum of £300.
I have examined copies of the following deeds and documents:
- 10 Aug 1864 Conditions of sale of freehold building land.
- 10 Aug 1864 Plan of building land plot 248.
- 27 Aug 1864 Conveyance British Land Co Ltd to William Neale in trust for Messrs Neale & Mellersh.
- 7 Apr 1868 Mortgage Messrs Neale, Mellersh, & Neale to Messrs Mitchell & others.(Mortgage for 28 &1/2 years until Nov 1896)
- 27 Nov 1873. transfer endorsement Mitchell & others to Muir.
- 1892. Reigate Petty-Sessions report: The Anchor, fully licensed house owned by and tied by trade to Mellersh & Neale. Run by F E Reynolds who resides on the premises. Frequented by artisans & labourers.
- 26 Nov 1896 Reconveyance also endorsed Muir to Mellersh & Neale.
- 1 Oct 1962 Omnibus Conveyance Mellersh & Neale Ltd to Friary meux.
- document dated 1938 quoting the quarterly tenancy rent at £55 per annum. (It was freehold to M&N, but the landlord paid the rent as a tenant of M&N.)
List of tenants provided by Richard Symonds 1878. Edward Manning - 1882 Edward Langridge - 1891 Frank Edmund Reynolds - 1895 David Leach - 1900-02 Thomas Gowering - 1903-1905 Frank J Ingram - 1909-1936 Arthur Hall (Arthur Hall is shown here in the 1907 Kelly's Directory AJM - 1940 S F Rayson - 1942-68 Henry William Hodd
Email re Anchor/Garland pub,
Interesting reading through your page on pubs, my father Roy Woolsey was landlord of the Elm Shades for over 20 years during 70s 80s and 90s. He also was the landlord in charge of the Anchor and was responsible for renovating and renaming it to the Garland. I ran the Garland for quite a few years in the early 90s.We as a family, have lived in Redhill for nearly 40 years, originally living in the house next door to the Elm Shades (24, Fountain Road St Johns) I now live on the old General Hospital Site, St Johns Park, where I was born, my youngest now goes to St Johns, where I also attended as a child. If you need any further info on these premises, or are missing any info on the above areas I will be only too happy to help. Andy Woolsey
The Garland pub shortly after a complete external repaint and with a delivery from Harveys of Lewis just arrived. Picture taken 14th November 2008 The Garland is one of the few local pubs, perhaps the only Redhill one, not to have a swinging sign. 3 4 Part of the bar A different angle on the bar 5 6 As with most pubs today the whole of the are of the pub is open plan and the bar extands around the to the left hand side. Part of the drinking/dining area on the north side of the pub behind the two customers in photo 5. 7 8 A games room plus extra eating accessed from the far left of photo 6 and situated on the south side of the building Looking bcck to the front of the pub from the rear of photo 6 9 10 Part of the general bar area. The windows look north across to Bucklands shop and the Reading Arch. The darts area is to the left in photo 8 11 12 Looking back to the front of the pub from the darts area. The original door used to be in the angle of the wall left of the window, which has been raised to accomodate the steps and rail outside Some of the beers on offer 13 Photos 3-13 were taken with the landlord's permission on 12th January 2008.My wife and I had an excellent ploughman's between us and I had a pint and a half of Harvey's dark mild, at 3% a very good midday drink. We had thought about having the cottage pie and when someone else did it smelt delicious. The outside garden area, not so beckoning in midwinter.
Article from the Surrey Mirror 16th June 2011 The Garibaldi - Mill Street The Garibaldi as it is today The Garibaldi in days gone by This pub, like the nearby road, was presumably named after Giuseppe Garibaldi, the Italian patriot, who made a couple of trips to this country in the mid 19th century. In 1933 the Garibaldi pub applied, for the second year running, for a wine licence and was refused. Argument for was that men out walking on the common would often have a glass of beer and ask for a wine, port or sherry for accompanying ladies. Record kept of such requests behind the bar did not include the names of the customers making the requests, and so failed to impress the magistrates. They said that just down the road was the New Inn which did have a full licence, people could go there. Protests that the New Inn catered for a totally different clientele fell on deaf ears and the upgrade to a full licence was refused. The bar of the Garibaldi looking east The bar of the Garibaldi looking east Licensees
Mrs Florence Leah Gage listed in 1907 Kelly's Directory at 29 Mill St.
Gatton Point - At Gatton Point at the northern end of London Road, Redhill, This pub carried the name of its location, and that location seemed ideal with the Technical College just across the road, but perhaps the students did not put enough money across the counter, there were too few regulars and the ground it occupied was more valuable as a housing site, which is what replaced it after was it closed and demolished in 1997. The Gatton Point in the 1960s after a serious fire.
(Picture courtesy Bob Sargent)
The pub c1973 when it was known as the Gatton Point Hotel, although adverts described it as non-residential. Run in its later days by by E.W.Coleman it was spacious and comfortable inside. It is possible that the building started life as a private house, being built between 1861 and 1871 The building around 1990 after it had been painted black on the outside. It closed and was demolished in 1997
George and Dragon - see 'Dragon'
Greyhound - Brighton Road - Upper picture shows the Greyhound in Shepherd Neame livery, the lower one in Friary Meux livery. Note that there is no outside seating area in either picture. This is seen in the last picture below.
Information from Richard Symonds. The deeds for this Inn show the following: - 9 Sep 1861. Notice of sale by Auction. Lot 12 Freehold building land with paddock, 2 roods and 5 perches. 24 Aug 1864. Counterpart lease. John Moody and his mortgagees to messrs Nalder & Collyer of Croydon, brewers. 21 Dec 1877. Fire policy - Royal exchange Assurance Co Policy no 962562. 1884. Abstract of title of Frederick John Pfeill. 10 Nov 1884, conveyance Pfeill to Mellersh & Neale.
14 Nov 1884, authority & request, Pfeill to Mellersh & Neale.
20 Nov 1884, acknowledgement of right of production of deeds, Pfeill to Mellersh & Neale. 21 Nov 1884, mortgage, Mellersh & neale to J Biggerstaff. 12 Dec 1895, reconveyance endorsed, Biggerstaff's executors to Mellersh & Neale.
The 1892 petty Sessional report described the Greyhound, Brighton Road, Redhill, as a fully licenced house owned and tied for trade by Mellersh & Neale of Reigate, brewers, run by J Moody who resided on the premises. It said that the Inn was frequented by Travellers and tradesmen.
A trust deed of 1899 seen by myself describes the property, the Greyhound, owned by Mellersh & Neale Ltd, together with three cottages and a right of way.
Landlords include: - 1892-1901 John Moody** - 1902-1910 Mrs Emily Moody - 1915 John Moody junior - 1923-1926 Jessie Moody - 1926-1948. Mrs Jessie Emily Shaw (did Jessie Moody remarry? She was 40 in 1901)* - 1951. Douglas L Hardy - 1954. Herbert William Beagley - 1956. M J Bone - 1966-1968 G A Cassell
*Jessie Emily Shaw is listed here in the 1907 Kelly's Directory
** John Moody had the coach building business opposite. His wife was Jessie Moody so these look like the same people who had the pub in 1901. They also had 8 children by that year.
Emails re Greyhound
Maurice Stovell from Canada emailed to say: "The Greyhound was a pub I remembered well from my Redhill days. With friends I used the pub quite often. There was a large cellar where a jazz club was held. Some of the groups that played there can now be heard on records."
Thanks for that, Maurice. Does anyone else remember the Jazz Club?
Douglas T. Moody emailed to say: "I have been investigating my family history. My Great Grandfather John Moody was the licencee of the Greyhound - he also had a Wheelwright and Carriage workshop opposite the Greyhound Pub at 113 Brighton Road (now a car showroom). John Moody Jnr (his eldest son) took over both businesses after John Moody snr died in 1900. The wife of John Moody Jnr (Jesse Moody) took over until her death in 1924. They had a daughter also called Jesse and I think she married a Mr. Shaw and took over as Mrs Jesse Shaw. In the 1901 census another daughter of John Moody Snr., Emily Moody, was listed as Assistant Innkeeper and she died in 1936 (unmarried). She was my Grandfather's (William Moody) sister. In "The Redhill Story" by Nigel Dunne there is a picture of John Moody Snr's Coach & Wheelwright business. I have a copy of John Moody Snr's will in which he is described as Coachbuilder Wheelwright and Licensed Victualler. They are all buried in St. John's Church graveyard, Redhill. My father Douglas Moody Snr was born at 85 Earlsbrook Road, Redhill. The house was destroyed by a doodle bug during the last war and a more modern house stands on the site."
This confirms the note in the 'Landlords' section above. Thanks for the information, Douglas.
Brian Rice also emailed: "As a child (10-12) living at 66 Garlands Rd, I can remember being allowed to pass through the side entrance of the Greyhound with the permission of the formidable Jesse Shaw to spend the evenings in her private sitting room while my mother and father enjoyed a drink in the saloon bar at the rear of the building. Jesse was a very large lady and frightened the life out of me, in contrast to her husband (Joe?) who was very small - she was without doubt 'The Landlord' At the rear of the sitting room a flight of steps lead down to a a kitchen where the glasses were washed with a strong smell of washing soda. Further steps lead to to the function room which contained a full sized billiard table. I remember quite clearly being called out one night into the Brighton Road along with the customers to see the glow of of the Surrey Docks burning.
Thanks for your reminiscences, Brian. Every little bit of information adds to our knowledge of Redhill's past history.
From Mark Beasley: In the late 60s / early 70s (and probably before and after) the low room at the back of the Greyhound (shown in one of your photographs) was used for many rock and jazz gigs. Rock was on Friday evenings, Modern Jazz on Sunday evenings. Many top British modern jazz artists performed there, including Keith Tippett, Don Weller, Alan Skidmore and Elton Dean. While the rock bands were not quite so famous, the venue was on the London pub circuit so the standard (and the volume) was perhaps higher than such a small venue could reasonably have expected. To a schoolboy (as I was at the time) it all seemed impossibly groovy - we once saw Joolie Driscoll in the bar on a Jazz night - and the thick haze of smoke that filled the room (little of it legal I suspect) also made a lasting impression!
Thanks, Mark, much appreciated. See also the Lakers for more information form Mark
From Andree McDade: - Yes, there was a jazz club back of Greyhound, I was one of many barmaids there. Also on Friday nights there was an 'arts workshop' and sometimes on a Saturday a Rocker's night, bikers would come down as far as Croydon.
Thanks for your memories of the Greyhound, Andree. There's more from Andree on the Lakers section.
From Mick Card, March 2010: - I remember the Greyhound in London Road well, both for the jazz club and as a rehearsal venue for my band - Unit Six. I remember access to the rear being via a narrow driveway to the right of the building, so narrow in fact that after one Sunday morning rehearsal a bit of careless reversing almost ripped off the offside wing of our vehicle, a converted Austin hearse. There may be one or two Redhill residents who remember that vehicle. A neighbour in Hanworth Road asked my mother to request the boys to pick me up and drop me off further up the road as she considered a hearse parked outside to be an unlucky omen.
On one occasion, when exiting from the car park to the rear of Woolworths which, you will recall was reached via a narrow drive with no opportunity to see other traffic approaching the crossroads until you were halfway into the road our hearse, which by then had been redecorated with what we considered witty graffiti, pulled out into the middle of a funeral procession. The lights were against us and we had to wait there for several minutes in acute embarrassment until we could escape up Station Road.
Great stuff, Mick. Click here to go see another March 2010 email from Mick ton he page on this website about acts at the Market Hall in the 1960s for more about Mick's band, Unit Six
Author's notes: -
While I am fairly familiar with some of the the pubs on this page there are others I have never been in during the 65 years I've lived in or near Redhill, the Greyhound being one. On the 6th November 2005 the wife and I walked up to the pub whilst watching the veteran cars passing through the town during the 'Old Crock's Run'. We had intended to go the the top of the Brighton Road but the wonderful aroma of bacon being cooked under cover outside the Greyhound stopped us dead. There was coffeee inside so as it was rainining we took our bacon sandwiches inside and had coffee too. While there we met the couple running the Greyhound as well as some of the regulars and I had the chance to take some pictures, shown below. The pub is greatly changed from the 'old' days, its once separate bars having been knocked into one. Once there would have been a lounge bar, a public bar, a tap (a room where people could buy jugs of beer to take away without going into the bar) and a kitchen, all of which now combine to form the main area of the pub. The bar may or may not have been rearranged or remodelled as it's centrally placed. A couple of years ago I met a man who had been landlord of the Greyhound in the 1940s. He referred to a function room which was possibly a room on the first floor front that has since been divided into two rooms. It was a pleasure to meet the present landlord and his wife, Choppa and Sandy, who have been there for four months. AJM November 2005
The 'cellar' referred to by Maurice Stovell and the 'function room' mentioned by Brian Rice. A view of the bar from its north end A view of the bar from the south end What was once a kitchen has been opened up as extra bar area to house a pool table The rather nice cooking range in what was once a kitchen A front view of the Greyhound 7.11.2005 The Greyhound in April 2003 when it
had curtains at the front windows
The article in the Surrey Mirror of 12th
October 2007 saying that the Greyhound would close at the end of the month
The Greyhound closed and with a 'for sale' sign up on the day of the Old Crocks run, 4th November 2007
Conversion work in progress at the Greyhound in October 2008. The view is of where the main bar used to be from the south side of the building (the window that can be seen faces out onto the Brighton Road). The old front entrance to the bar from the Brighton Road is on the left. The Greyhound converted to five flats pictured on 24th March 2009
Hatch - see 'Foresters' Holmethorpe Arms - Holmethorpe Another establishment named after where it was, although its exact position on the Holmethorpe estate is unknown. It lost its licence in 1884 and became a coffee tavern. Somewhen between then and now it disappeared completely. .
Home Cottage - Cavendish Road The Home Cottage around the turn of the century (Picture courtesy Richard Symonds) The Home Cottage c1914 after alterations (picture courtesy HNHC) The Home Cottage today
Information from Richard Symonds
Eves census 1861 (property no. 122) shows a Public house and yard owned and run by William Stevenson. The Petty Sessional Report of 1892 described the Home Cottage Inn, Redhill Station, as fully licensed and owned and tied for trade to Mr Bartrums Tunbridge Brewery. Run by W H Kneale who resided on the premises. The Inn was frequented by railway porters, gardeners, and labourers.
Newspaper reports show the following: - (1) Borough Bench Monday Jan 19th 1874. The licence of the Home cottage was transferred from Mr Stevenson to J Palmer. (2) July 1879. Golden wedding Mr & Mrs Stevenson was for 24 years proprietor of the well known Home Cottage adjacent to Redhill Junction he was previously for a period of 6 months at the Plough Inn on Earlswood Common.
Richard adds the following: - 'It was run in the late 19th cent by the Dartford Brewery of Tonbridge. I used to drink there in the 1970s when it was a free house owned by a Miss Starr. She told me that the licence was originally held (in the 18th cent) by a beershop at the top of Redstone Hollow, called the LURCHER, and the licence passed to the Home Cottage at the turn of the 19th century.' She also told him that the pub had been in her family for 3 generations. She said that her grandmother apparently bought the pub in 1897 (apparently as Kellys directory records William Henry Neales widow as still being there until 1900), and it was here that she was born in 1901. She was brought up in the pub with her sister and two brothers while her mother Jane ran the pub; Sybil took over from her mother in 1939. Sybil wasnt really cut out to be a publican as she had trained as a photographer locally and had also studied art. She said that she had never had a day off in 40 years apart from only one holiday being a trip to Canada in 1951. She sold the pub to Young & Cos Ram Brewery, Wandsworth in 1978 when she retired.
List of proprietors: 1849 1874. William Stevenson.
1874 - ? J. Palmer 1878 1882. John Farmer (see note below from Colin Goldsmith re John Farmer) 1891 - c1895. William Henry Kneale 1895 1900 Mrs Kneale 1900 1915 Frederick Star (address given as 3, Redstone Hill) 1923 1939 Mrs Jane Star 1939 1978. Miss Sybil Star 1978 onwards Malcolm Dougal (Young & Cos Brewery, Wandsworth).
Home Cottage continued
Here's more of the e-mail from Mark Corrigan referring to the Home Cottage (for the first part see the Firlot and Firkin)
The Home Cottage which was, unusually, a wooden building with outside toilets. Many pupils of Redstone started their drinking in this pub (mostly under age I might add) as it was close to school but generally not frequented by the teachers. The main reason though was that it was run by a real character, a lady called Sybil Starr who was, I guess, in her seventies and I believe she was actually born in the pub and was the last of a long line of her family to run it. She was much loved by everyone but being so old made her a poor judge whether or not someone was under age, hence our patronage. We even used to stop for a pint whilst doing cross country runs in our P.E. lessons (dressed in P.E. kit) when we didn't do the full run up Redstone Hill and back but took a detour to the Home Cottage, had a drink then waited for the serious runners to pass. We could then follow along at a more leisurely pace. When we got a bit older we started drinking in the public bar at The Lakers Hotel opposite, which had two bar billiards tables. - Details for Mark, including his e-mail address, appear on the contacts page.
And this from Colin Goldsmith in Nov. 2003: - John Farmer (the brother of my Great Grandmother Elizabeth Goldsmith nee Farmer) was innkeeper of the Home Cottage at the time of the 1881 census with his wife Mary Farmer, and his daughter Kate was barmaid there. It looks as if they may have been there since about 1875 when they moved to Redhill. (There is more from Colin concerning the Railway Belle)
Email from Michael B Standen
I looked at your site because I used to drink at the Home Cottage in the 1960's. I worked at the tax office in Cavendish Road. Our office had previously been a school where Sybil Star had been taught. (We always called her Miss Star to her face). Apart from the pub Sybil had an interest in a drapers shop in Horley which was run by Ernie Elbourne who I think lived at the Pub. Quite a lot of Sybil's public bar trade came from Surrey Fine Art Press, the PO sorting office & the railway. (the goods Yard & engine shed were still open then). I also had the odd pint at the "Tower", the landlady was Eileen Lovegrove, quite fierce at times! Have you ever looked at www.flickr.com/groups/deadpubssociety ?
Huntsman - High Street The Huntsman was part of Sam Marsh's stables, where Woolworths now is (the man with the hand cart is directly outside it).
It catered exclusively for hunting men, their servants, liverymen and coachmen and not to the general public. It had stabling for 15 to 20 horses. It comprised an office, a serving bar and a kitchen, with access from the office to the bar via the kitchen and with the office also being used as a public room. It was in existence there in 1910 and seems to have had the status more of a club than a public house, there being no sign outside. In this early 1900s picture it is on the left, with only the Wheatsheaf's back yard between it and the Wheatsheaf. (picture Alan Moore)
The same building in the late 1800s when the premises were owned by Sam Marsh's predecessor, Mr Robins. As well as horsemen there is a pack of hounds; to see them setting off from central Redhill must have been quite something. Note that the original Wheatsheaf is also to be seen right of picture; it was the proximity of several other pubs in the town that prevented a spirit licence being obtained (see below)
Information from Richard Symonds
The Huntsman was a beerhouse, the 1892 Petty Sessional Report shows it at High Street, Redhill, being licensed prior to 1869 and run by S Marsh of Redhill as a Free House frequented by hunters and grooms. It is interesting to note that several attempts were made to apply for a full licence but all were turned down. Three newspaper cuttings are as follows:
March 1878 - Mr Charles Robins intends to try once more for a spirit licence for the Huntsman Inn, Redhill.
April 1878 - The Borough Magistrates have again declined to grant a spirit licence to the Huntsman at Red Hill.
April 1879 - The Huntsman Beerhouse, Red Hill, again refused a spirit licence at County Petty Sessions held March 4th
Jolly Brickmakers - 60 Frenches Road, Redhill Reflecting the nature of an area where, due to the nature of the soil, brick-making material was readily available. The Brickmakers in July 1949 The Brickmakers in the 1940s or 50s The Jolly Brickmakers in the 2000s, situated at the end of a row of Victorian houses. (Photo © Copyright Ian Capper and licensed for reuse under Creative Commons Licence) An enlarged brickmakers in September 1962 A previous pub sign The Jolly Brickmakers belonged to J.T.Davies for a time but in 2009 came into the ownership of the Brakspear Brewery. Here it is undergoing a change of livery in October 2009 Livery completed November 2009 The new sign The interior of the Jolly Brickmakers, November 2009. The pub has been run by Dick and Judith Holland since 2002 This gentleman and other lunchtime customers there when I took these photos were keen to point out that this was a good, friendly pub that they had been patronising for ten years or more. The word 'WELCOME' over the entrance Licensees - The Jolly Brickmakers has a very tenuous connection with Herbert James Bignall, the well known runner who among his many accomplishments carried the Olympic torch to Redhill in 1948. He had a great uncle, William Bignal, who ran the pub for a while. It is first recorded that William Bignall was a "Retailer of Beer' on his daughter's birth certificate in 1878. Although a later certificate in 1880, mentions he is a Farm Labourer again. William died in the pub in 1886 and it continued to stay in the family with other birth/deaths recorded there up until 1897, although by 1901 they seem to have moved to Albury Road, Merstham. There is no evidence that Herbert James Bignall was ever at the pub, in fact he was not born until 1906.Information compiled with the kind help of Rebecca Morrison (nee Bignall)
Note: Thomas Edward Cook listed as beer retailer at 52 Frenches Road in 1907 Kelly's directory. This could be a reference to the Jolly Brickmakers if street renumbering has taken place since then.
Decoratively it was nice to see that original featurs had been
retained and enhanced
Joshua Tree - Earlswood Common - Previously Albatross - Previously Railway Inn The Railway Inn in 1901 when it was taken over by David and Nacy Sharp. For more about the Sharp family see the Britannia pub. Situated on Earlswood Common this was the Railway Inn in 1916. It was also known as 'The Nob', apparently in reference to a picture of a railway engine engraved on the glassof the pub's front door. The engine bore the number eight (NO8) which looked like 'NOB'. Here the owning brewery was Nalder and Collyer. Who, we wonder, are the couple in the doorway?
Ind Coope and Allsopp's official picture of the pub, probably dating from the 1930s. Notice the changes, especially to the lower frontage. The pub when it was The Albatross. The sign on its side wall depicts the bird over a golf course. When the name was changed to the Albatross is unknown. It was changed to the Joshua Tree in 2001 after a lengthy closure. At one time it was a Shepherd and Neame pub and on its front front are four lamps which still bear the Shepherd and Neame logo and which can be seen above. Rob Owen reminds us that the Stranglers played one of their first pub gigs in the Nob Tavern (Railway/Albatross) in 1975 (he has a recording of some of it) - Thanks, Rob (see also Lakers) The front of the present Joshua Tree and its sign
Further to the above - Email received 3rd August 2002
Hi Alan, I have really enjoyed your site and the pictures therein. I was a Redhill resident from 1961 until 1985, all through my childhood, adolescence and early adult years. Incidentally, I went to school with Mark (Joe) Corrigan (see Firlot and Firkin) and am meeting up with him in October after more than 25 years. I was surprised that under the entry of The Joshua Tree (Albatross/Railway Inn) that mention was not made of its nickname, The Nob. There was a stained glass window in the main entrance that depicted a steam train with the nameplate No. B. No doubt a relic from its days as the Railway Inn. Until the name was changed to the Albatross in around 1982, it was affectionately known as the Nob. As for the rest of Redhill, on a recent return visit I felt that the new town had little or no character compared with how it used to be. Oh well, that's progress I suppose! Keep up the good work, Steve (Charlie) Gunner.
I understand that the number might also have been 13, which looks like a B. Thanks very much, Steve, for bringing the above to my attention - AJM
Noted in registers of St Johns's School.
Gladys Lewis born 12.9.1890, started at Infants 26.4.1897, parent Jane Lewis, addresss The Railway Inn (register No. 893)
Gladys Lewis born 4.2.1892, started at Infants 26.4.1897, parent Jane Lewis, address The Railway Inn (register No. 894)
Neither had been at school before
Lily Stroud born 13.3.1895, started at Infants 19.4.1899, parent John Stroud, addresss The Railway Inn (register No. 1081)
Email received from Claire Taylor September 2008
Hi, Your pubs web page is excellent. I wanted to give you some more information on two pubs in Redhill. The Railway Inn and the Wheatsheaf were both owned by my great Uncle in the past. Charles Joseph Horth born 1880, married to Ethel Bruger in 1909 and died 1952. He owned the Railway Inn aka The Nobb from 1913 to 1920ish and the Wheatsheaf from 1920ish to 1938 when he moved into 47 Ladbroke Road. I lived in the same house from age 7 to 18 (1970 to 1986) We used to have some of the old pub windows and my brother now possesses the beer glasses engraved Horth. I am the happy owner of a number of the ash trays and a couple of water jugs advertising various tobacco products and alchoholic beverages. I hope the above information is of use to you.
Kind regards, Claire Taylor (nee Horth)
See also information about the Joshua tree from Barbara Pocock, which is posted on the part of this page dealing with the Dragon
Junction at Redhill - see 'Firlot and Firkin'
Junction Hotel - see Lakers Hotel Lakers Hotel (or Railway Hotel) - Redstone Hill Information from Richard Symonds
Originally called the Reigate Junction Hotel (as Redhill as a town did not then exist), this inn was built by a Mr Brockman, MP for Hythe, soon after the opening of the London - Brighton railway line c1844. On the 9th March 1846, a licence was granted to Richard Laker, in the foreign of Reigate, For an inn, alehouse, or victualling house, at the sign of the Reigate Junction. In connection with the above, Richard laker had a copper-plate engraving made:
REIGATE JUNCTION RAILWAY HOTEL
NEAT WINES AND SPIRITS
POST HORSES AND CARRIAGES FOR HIRE.
Richard Laker had two sons, George and William, the latter carrying on the business upon his fathers death. Item 131 of Eves 1861 census shows: 'Railway Hotel, premises and garden. Owned and run by Richard Laker.' The 1892 Petty Sessional Report states: 'The Railway Hotel, Redhill Station. Fully licensed. Owned by Mrs Laker of Redhill, and run as a Free House by William A Laker. This inn is a family Hotel and is frequented by railway travellers.' A list of proprietors of the Lakers Hotel reads: c1846 Richard Laker - c1892 William Alfred Laker - 1904 - 1910 William A Allard - c1915 Edward Allard - 1923 - 1948 Charles Felix and John Edward Felix 1951 - 1959? Copes Taverns Ltd - 1966 - 1968. C.J.Wright, manager for Charringtons.
RIGHT: - An old postcard posted in Redhill in 1908 shows the Laker's Hotel as having a garden. The proprietor's name is given as W.R.Allard (Picture Alan Moore)
The Lakers is now a Toby Carvery with Innkeeper's Lodge accomodation
The bar The pumps The carvery
Email received from Mark Beasley
During the 1970's, the 'hall' of the Lakers - I guess this was a function suite which had been used over the years for dances, parties, wedding receptions and so on - was used for many music gigs. These took place on Sunday evenings and were run by 'Mac', a local sax player (and painter & decorator) - he seemd quite old even then and had a beard! His band - The Hotpoints - played most weeks (reggae-tinged Jazz as I recall!) together with one or more other bands. The Cure certainly played there around (I guess) 1977/78 and while I don't know if it was their first gig it would certainly have been early days as they were then a trio with Robert Smith on guitar. The Lakers was on the pub circuit and many 'lower division' bands played there, as well as a few - like the Cure and The Vapors (featuring ex-Reigate Grammar School boy Dave Fenton) - who went on to greater things. My own band - Prey - played there many times and I still have a tape somewhere. Can I take this opportunity to apologise to everyone who paid to hear us.
Thanks for the welcome input, Mark - see also the Greyhound pub for more information from Mark
Email from Andree McDade continuing on the theme above: -
Just wanted to put a couple of things in this - which I find really fascinating (boozy past); re the Lakers - Mac wasn't a painter and decorator - he was more of a sculptor (background Reigate School of Art) he listed himself as Multi Media Artist. He died back in 1990 - which is sad - and there was once a plaque in his memory at the Nutley in Reigate where he was a regular - not sure if its still there as I no longer live that way; I have also his diaries for that time at the lakers of bookings of bands - if I find the one for Mark's band (Cure) I will let you know - he may be interested.
Thanks for that, Andree, all input welcome. See also the Greyhound for more from Andree
Email received from Rebecca Hamson 8th March 2007
Recently I have found a connection in my family history with the Laker family, Richard, Maria and their children. Only a small correction but just feel I need to point it out. Richard had more than 2 sons, he had 5 sons altogether and 3 daughters. One of the other sons was called Edward Brockman Laker after the builder of the hotel. The other 2 sons were Richard and Arthur. Richard Laker died in 1872 and Maria his wife retired to a residential house in Reigate with some of her children. So I wonder who ran it between Richard's death and when his son William took over, I have yet to find out. Hope you find this info interesting.
Very interesting - if you discover more please get back to us.
Email recived from John Sanders 7th June 2009
H, Cure played there on 11/6/78 supporting the hotpoints, it was the Cure's 2nd gig as "The Cure" they had been gigging since 76 under diff names (Malice, Easy Cure) Easy Cure played there supported by lockjaw (which contained Simon Gallop who was to become the main Cure bass player) April 78. The Cure also played at the Lakers on 28/10/78 - 27/8/78 - 21/10/78 - 17/9/78 - 15/7/78 and 13/9/78. Hope this helps and if anyone has any flyers/ poster they want to sell or sell a copy I would love to hear from you !! John Sanders (Cure collector)
Thanks, John, if there are any offers of posters/flyers I'll be in touch.
Email recived from Frances Felix 9th June 2009
I just came across your very interesting site of the past and present public houses in Redhill. One of the proprietors listed was Charles Felix. Mr. Felix was my husband Charles Raymond Felix's grandfather. When he died my husbands father, John Edward Felix, became the proprietor. History is a little scant, but I do believe the Felix family owned Lakers until 1955. Yours truly, Frances Felix
Many thanks for the information. John Edward Felix's name added but dates left same as uncertain.
Lakers Hotel Tap
The Lakers Hotel Tap was opened circa 1904 and was attached to the west side of theLakers Hotel. The first proprietor was Mr H A Blake. It seems that this Tap was absorbed into the main hotel circa 1908.
Picture Richard Symonds
A Music Venue?
Rob Owen writes to say that he is prety sure that the Cure played their first gig at the Lakers in Redhill - does anyone have more info on this?
Email from Barry Watts, March 2010
I was reading with great interest your articles concerning the pubs of Redhill and found myself reminiscing about my teenage years during the 1980s when me and my mates would go for a couple of drinks in Bobs Bar as it was the only place in Redhill where we managed to get served as we were only 17 at the time. It was actually part of the Lakers Hotel (now The Toby Carvery) and occupied a small portion of the left hand side of the building. Although it was physically a part of The Lakers architecture it seemed to be run totally independently from the rest of the pub, perhaps you or someone else may have some information with regards to that. As I got a bit older I started to use my local pub which was The Monson Arms in which I had many a laugh on a Friday or Saturday night. I still live in Redhill and find it quite sad to see some of our local pubs being shut down at the rate they are.
Le Papillon - see Dragon
Locomotive - Ladbroke Road Information from Richard Symonds
Petty Sessional Report 1892 shows the Locomotive as a beerhouse licensed prior to 1869. Owned and tied for trade by Crowleys of Croydon, brewers. Run by F Simmonds who resided there. Used by Artisans and labourers. Proprietors were: - to May 1949, Mrs Maria Gammon (Maurice Gammon listed there in 1907 Kelly's directory - see also note 2 below) - May 1949 to Aug 1955, Mr Victor John Bromfield. £84 rent per annum - Aug 1955 - ? David Lawrence Maguire.
A pre-1929 picture showing Crowleys signboards courtesy Richard Symonds (note the small boy leaning against the front wall)
Richard states that perhaps Mr Gammons reminiscences (see below), in which he says Crowleys later became Page & Overtons, are incorrect. These were two separate Croydon companies having no trading connection with each other whatsoever except the dubious distinction of both being swallowed up by the Charrington empire. [A C S & H Crowley (137/139 High Street, Croydon) was taken over in 1919 being absorbed by Hoare & Co Ltd of London, but did not finally cease brewing until 1929; Page & Overtons (Shirley brewery, Overtons yard, Surrey Street, Croydon) was directly taken over by Hoare & Co Ltd in 1929, but did not cease brewing until 1954] The probable confusion in Mr Gammons memory was that in 1929 when Crowleys was finally wound up and P&O had just been acquired, it made sense for Hoare & Co (later Charringtons) to transfer all Crowley pubs onto the Page & Overtons books, and re-livery them accordingly, where they remained as such until P&Os closure in 1954. All pubs were then re-liveried Charringtons.
Two photos of the Locomotive in July 1948 as an Overton pub and in need of a lick of paint. In the photo on the left the photographer has his back to the railway station and houses in in Ladbroke Road can also be seen. In the photo on the right the photographer has his back to those houses and Ladbroke Road's juction with Station Road can be seen. The Loco in 1954 repainted and rebranded as Charringtons. The balcony has gone. Here the pub bears the sign for Shirley Ales & Stouts, and on the roof is the ending "TONS" of the word "Overtons" (this dates the picture to after 1929) (Picture courtesy Mr Frederick Gammon)
This was a well named pub that was demolished in the early 1980s. Mr Frederick Gammon was closely connected with this pub and very kindly sent the following information: - "I think the pub was built around the turn of the century (see note 1), it was along the Ladbroke Road about 150 to 200 yards up from the South Eastern Hotel, next door to the old offices of the Surrey Mirror. My father Maurice 'Mog' Gammon took it over in 1910 and following his marriage to my mother (Maria Lewis) my older brother Cyril, myself Frederick Beauchamp ('Beau' ) and sister Pauline were all born there. My father was there until his death in 1933 and my mother continued to run it until the early 1950's so it was in the family for over 40 years. Both my brother and myself were then offered the pub but were not interested so an ex ice hockey international took it over. The pub was a large building which could take guests and had stables out the back that were last used about 1930 when all the local stables were needed for horses going to the county show held at Gatton Park, Sir Jeremiah Colman's estate. It was built on very boggy land and apparently the foundations were in part faggots, the cellars sometimes flooded, spoiling the full barrels of beer, and the fire brigade had to be called to pump them out. The original brewers were Crowley's who later became Page and Overton's. The trade was very local although there were some railway workers and commuters stopping off on their way home."
The death of Mr Maurice Gammon, referred to above, was reported in the Surrey Mirror in August 1933. The report said that he was the second son of the late Mr and Mrs George Gammon of 'The Selkirk', Tooting. He was vice chairman of Redhill FC and for 25 years the licensee of the Locomotive, and previously of the Northfield House Stores, Speldhurst, near Tunbridge Wells. The funeral service was at St Matthew's, with internment in Reigate cemetery. As well as family mourners there was a large presence of licensees of other pubs in Redhill and Reigate.
Many thanks to Mr Frederick Gammon, and to his son, Roger, who emailed his father's reminiscences, reproduced above..
Note 1 - Information from Mr John McInally - The Locomotive pub in Ladbroke Road was rebuilt in 1899 to a design by architect R.A.Crowley for the brewers Crowley of Croydon. R.A.Crowley was the brewery owner's son.
Note 2 - Maurice Gammon shown in 1901 census as barman aged 19 living in Balham area of London
Further to the above . . . . . . .
Mr Gammon's reminiscences reminded me of some references I came across when researching Redhill and WW1 a few years ago. I looked up the work I did and found the following letters written by soldiers at the front. They both referred to Mr Gammon's father and the Locomotive pub and I reproduce them here - AJM
Lance Corporal G. Jupp, late in the employ of Mr Gammon of the Locomotive Pub in Ladbroke Road, wrote; - 'We have been knee deep in mud, water and snow in the trenches with the Germans only 20 yards away. We snipe at them, and them at us, and we exchange shells. I shall be glad when it is all over and I'm settled down again. I hope I do not have to go through again what I've already been through. They still tell us we are to be relieved by Kitchener's men, but it has not come off yet.'
---------- Private H.Stunt, a Redhill man, wrote to Mr Gammon of the Locomotive pub in Ladbroke Road: - 'Thanks for the tobacco and fags you sent me; a smoke in spare time is worth a lot. I don't care for the French fags at all; I don't mind being a Frenchman but I can't stand their fags. Roll on the time when I can get a good pint of Loco beer and a game of darts - if I get through this business. I have not been hurt much up to the present, but if I am unlucky I shall die with a good heart and know I have done my bit like a soldier and an Englishman. I should like to see all the boys, but I suppose I shall have to wait until it is all over. I don't suppose it will be long, as the old Kaiser's pills don't work like he thought they would. Remember me to the boys, and thank them for the parcel. From the one and only H.Stunt, the old original.'
Email received from Tony Painter May 2008
My parents were regular customers at the Wheatsheaf from about 1945 until sometime in the late 60s. They also frequented The Locomotive in Ladbroke Road for a similar period. If my memory serves me, the landlords in the 50s were Dave and June McGuire. Dave was a Canadian and a ice hockey player of some note.
Hope this information is of some use.
Very useful, Tony, thank you very much. All information gratefully received. AJM
The Lurcher - A beerhouse at the top of Redstone Hollow Miss Starr of the Home Cottage told Richard Symonds that when it closed at the turn of the 19th century its license was passed to the Home Cottage. (See Home Cottage)
In 1930 there were 73 houses licenced for selling intoxicating liquor in the licensing district of Redhill and Reigate. 40 had full licences, 21 were beerhouses with 'on' licences, '8 were beerhouses with 'off' licences, and there were 4 other. Clubs with licences were Redhill Constitutional Club- Redhill and Reigate Golf Club- Redhill, Redstone Hill Club - Redhill Ex-Servicemen's Club, Working Men's Club- 5th Batt Queens Regimental Social Club - Reigate Ex-Servicemen's Club - Reigate Priory Cricket Club - Reigate Lawn Tennis Club
Marquis of Granby - Hooley Lane A painting of the original 17c Marquis of Granby in Hooley Lane is shown above. The present building was built behind it and the old one then demolished in 1940.
A copy by Miriam Hooper of an original 1850 painting by Mrs Cooper
Reproduced by courtesy of the Holmesdale Museum
The Marquis of Granby in its newer form - date unknown The sign as it was in 2000
A New Sign A visit to the pub in November 2001found a brand new sign in place with the full name Marquis of Granby restored. (Name partially obscured in this angled shot
Henry Chad, born 16.8.1884, started at St John's Infants' School 21.8.1888, parent Henry Chad, address marquis of Granville (sic) Mill St. (register entry 313)
Ethel Chad, born 27.2.1886, started at St John's Infants' School 4.5.1891, parent William Chad, address marquis of Granby, Redhill (register entry 313)
(Mrs Alice Chad isted there in 1907 directory)
Email form Keith Pilgram,
My grandfather was registered as being born Oliver Langton at the Inn on 29th April 1870 to the father Edward Langton Inn Keeper and mother Isabella Langton formerly Kent, the registration was on the 4th June 1870 at Reigate Union district of Reigate Surrey the registrar was a John Robert Sheppard.
Thanks for the information, Keith
Monson Arms (1) - Gatton Point There have been two pubs by this name. The earlier of the two stood on the east side of the London Road at Gatton Point and was demolished in 1891. For more information see Bricklayers Arms
Monson Arms (2) - Green Lane This pub was demolished due to subsidence
Photo courtesy Richard Smith
Nags Head - Main Road, Salfords. Demolished in 1996 - New oub the Causeway built on the site 1997 - Causeway pub demolished 2007. he Nags Head in the 1880s. Notice how the entrance was once at the front of the building. (Photo courtesy Mrs Elizabeth Wickstead) Standing in front of the pub are William Winchester and his wife Mary Jane (nee Elsey) in the doorway. William Winchester was landlord of the Nags Head from 1882 - 1891 (source - Trade Directories and Lillian Elsey, William's daughter. (Photo courtesy Mrs Elizabeth Wickstead Email from Mrs Gerry Ovington-Brown
I'm attaching a scan of the birth certificate (above) that shows my Great Grandfather and his second wife Emma (nee Ralph) as the Licencees of The Nags Head. Frederick, Emma and young Marjorie moved to Australia, leaving on 12/02/1912 and arriving Freemantle, Perth on 05/03/1912, after several weeks at sea. I'm not yet sure when they took over the pub. In the 1901 census, he was the landlord of the Royal Oak at Tonbridge. 1911 Census shows him living at 1 Horley Road, Earlswood, which I assume was the address of the Nags Head? So sometime between those times, he would have taken over the Nags Head.
The Nags Head as it was before it was was demolished to make way for The Causeway. The pub stood on the south east corner of the junction of Horley Road and Three Arch Road (in the side view with the 30 sign the view is southwards).
A pile of pennies about to be pushed over in April 1996. The money was collected by regulars of the Nags Head for the National Institute for the Blinnd
The Causeway was built on the site of the old Nags Head and opened on 22nd of May 1997 this is another pub whose name could be anything so long as it has nothing whatsoever to do with its location. In this case the pub was named after Causeway Finances who provided Mill House Inns (no connection with the Mill House at Salfords) with the money to build a number of such premises, of which the this one was the nineteenth. And location was specific, because reference to the Nags Head could also mean the immediate vicinity of the pub without the pub being directly mentioned, whereas now reference to the area is more often connected with Three Arch Road or the hospital traffic lights than the Causeway pub. In fact there are those who still refer to the area as the Nags Head, and those of us who know where they mean. Some of the managers of the companies connected with the building of the Causeway pulling the first pint at the opening ceremony in 1997 Last looks at the Causeway pub. These three photos were taken by Martin Wells. Martin said: 'The picture below shows the actual moment the sign was being felled. I was taking my daughters to school and was stopped at the traffic lights. The man on the right is retreating with a chain saw having cut the base, and the two men on the left are in the process of pulling it down. The other two pictures were taken later that day through the car window.' Grateful thanks to Martin or sending them in and for being in the right place with a camera at the right time.
New Inn - Junction of Brighton and Garlands Roads Unusually this 19c pub was converted for use as a retailer of plumbing goods, so still stands, although not in all its glory. Like many pubs, this one was a landmark. Closure was 1992/3, The New Innn c1910 Conversion 1995/6.
Note that the original public bar doors still exist as a part of the entrance.
NOTE: Donald Wilkins, b.23.3.1913, address New Inn, Brighton Rd., started at St John's Infants' School 1.2.1918. Parent William Wilkins.
Email from Gerry Ovington-Brown, March 2010 - I was so surprised to find pictures and information regarding The Nags Head public house on line. My Great Grandfather Frederick Waters and his second wife Emma once ran this pub. Although I have no real clue as to the exact dates, I do know they were there in July 1911, as that is when my Grandmother's half sister was born. The event being recorded on her birth certificate which I have, along with the fact that her father was the Licensed Victualler. It's a shame the pub is no longer there, but lovely to see the pictures on your website.
Noahs Ark - 100, Brighton Road. A 19c beer shop, although in 1911 it gained the licence of the Star in Observatory Road, which was then closed, until it gained a full licence in 1945. Information from Richard Symonds
Like most licensed houses in Redhill, it originated from the great land sale of 1864 by the British Land Company, and was built within 2 years of that date. It was certainly erected in any case by 1869 as the Petty Sessional report of 1892 states that it was 'a 'beerhouse licensed prior to 1869, owned and tied for trade by Cutforth Brothers brewersof Redhill, run by F. Mepsted who resides on the premises and frequented by cottagers and labourers'. List of proprietors: - c1892 F Mepsted - 1900 to 1915 Henry Smith - c1923 Isaac Newton - 1926 to 1930 Edgar Jas. Jarvis - c1936 Harry West Wren - c1940 Cecil Percy Potter - c1944 Sydney Murrell - 1948 to 1951 G E Buckenham - 1954 to 1968. G E Baker. I have seen only 2 documents, both later in its history but nevertheless interesting. (1) 30th November 1923. Conveyance of John Reffell to Bushell Watkins & Smith Ltd.
(2) 31st August 1961. Conveyance of Bushell Watkins & Smith Ltd to Ind Coope (London) Ltd.
Closed 1992/5 but still for sale 1995.
Additional - 1871 census shows Edward Harrison as proprietor AJM
I was a member of the Clarendon Players in the 1960s and we used to rehearse in a back room of the Noahs Ark. I went to to take a picture of the Noahs Ark two weeks after it was demolished in 1992, hence no picture of it here - until March 2003, that is, when Roy Hester, found a picture of it just after it closed and his neighbour, Bill Haiselden, emailed it to me for inclusion above. My very grateful thanks to Roy and Bill - AJM Although the pub is out of sight in this picture the
man on the pavement on the right is level with
Old Oak - 40, Somerset Road, Meadvale In the 1940s the Old Oak was renovated. While this was being done the pub was transferred temporarily across Hardwick Road to a building now part of Meadvale Garage. When the work was completed business transferred back to the pub but a saloon door was left behind, being surplus to requirements. That door is still there, although due to subsequent alterations is no longer hanging on a frame. The glass panel of the door is a work of art, depicting an oak tree under the words 'Saloon Bar' with flowered scrolling surround set in an oak leaf and acorn frame. The age of the door is uncertain, but could be Victorian and an original pub feature.
Photo Alan Moore November 2005. Grateful thanks to John Scanlon for information and permission to take the picture of the door.
A wintry scene in 1984 that shows Somerset Road and some of the shops that were close to the Old Oak at that time. The Old Oak sign can be seen just to the right of picture centre.
(Thanks to Graham Bartlett for this picture)
The Old Oak mid-2000s The Old Oak in 1933 The Old Oak is one of the local pubs that I had never been in so, as author of this website, I thought I ought to put that right. On a Sunday in March 2007 the wife and I popped in to see what it was like. When I showed an interest in the pub's history the landlord got out some old photos that he allowed me to copy. They appear below with more photos that I took while I was there.
This was the saloon bar, situated in the extension on the east (Hardwick Road) side of the building. The two doors that used to lead into the pub from Somerset Road still do so and the door centre of picture is the left hand one of the two This is the same part of the pub today but the old public and saloon bars are now one. The two men stand where the old bar seen in the pictures left and right used to be. A slightly different view of the old saloon bar to the one far left This is the view one would have got when entering the old saloon bar from the street An identical view of the same area today. Structural alterations have merged it with the old public bar The two bars are now one as in most pubs. This is a view down the length of the rest of the bar View from close to the right hand door into the pub into the rear games room extension The beers on offer on the day of the visit. I was told that various guest beers make frequent appearances. A wonderful carving of the pub on display behind the bar. Colin and Pauline came to Redhill from North London in November 1970 to manage the Wheatsheaf (since renamed O'Neills) in the town centre. In March 1973 they moved to the Greyhound in Brighton Road and then on to the Old Oak in 1982. It was a worthwhile visit to a well used pub with a welcoming atmosphere. AJM Current landlord and landlady Colin and Pauline Batt (right and centre) pictured a few years ago.
The Office - High Street (see Dog and Duck) O'Neills High Street - see Firlot and Firkin Papillon - see Dragon Plough (1) - St John's A beer house that was demolished to become part of St John's churchyard and about which nothing more is known
Plough (2) - Church Road, St John's The Plough has be extended since this picture was taken. On the side of the wagon are the words 'W.Lane, Bottled beers, wines and spirits, The Plough, Earlswood, Mellersh & Neale's Oatmeal Stout' (Picture courtesy Richerd Symonds) The Plough pictured in June 2007. NOTES:
Beatrice Barnard, born 6.3.1889, started at St John's Infants' School 13.4.1891, parent Edward Barnard, address The Plough Inn (register No. 301)
1907 directory shows Percy Pattenden as proprietor
(previous note stated that Frank Beale was shown her in 1907, don't know where this came from AJM)
Prince Albert - On the main Road at Salfords
When it finished its pub days it became 'The Mongolian', an establishment dedicated to Mongolian food, did not last more than a year or two. In 2001 it became a drive-in McDonalds.
(Picture courtesy Brian Buss)
Queens Arms - London Road. The lease for the Queen's Arms for an Inn and 6 cottages at £3 per annum was dated 23rd August 1849 from the Hon Countess Brook of Warwick to M Cussell. It ran for 97 years from 29 Sept 1848 to Michaelmas 1950, although it continued beyond this date. This pub was born in 1848 and looked old. At the turn of the millennium there were thoughts in some quarters of making the centre of Redhill a conservation area and the Queen's Arms would have fitted into it extremely well. Unfortunately it was demolished in 1972.
Information from Richard Symonds
Eves 1861 map shows it as property 356 and describes it as a Public House owned and run by John Watts. (not strictly correct as it was leased by John Watts from The Countess of Warwick. The 1892 Petty Sessional Report describes the Inn as a fully-licensed house owned tied for trade by Mellersh & Neale and run by R. Woolatt who resided on the premises; Frequented by travellers, tradesmen, and mechanics. I have seen several deeds and the 1to M. Cussell. Lease for 97 st one actually confirms my supposition: (1) 23rd August 1849. Lease from Rt Hon Countess Brook & of Warwick years from 29£3 per annum. (2) 20th August 1850; office copy of Will of th September 1948 (expiring Michaelmas 1950), of Inn and 6 cottages, at M Cussell. (3) 281856. Assignment J Cussell to H Wesley. (5) 14th July 1856 th June 1854. Mortgage J Cussell to Messrs Courage. (4) 7th July Assignment H Wesley to Jno Watts. (6) 13to Neale, Mellersh & Neale. (7) 14th April 1868 Counterpart th April 1868 Assignment Joanna Watts Underlease W. Neale, F. Mellersh, & S. W. Neale to J. Watts. (8) 8Mortgage Neale, Mellersh & Neale to C. J. Townson. (9) 1938. th July 1868 Sub-Lease or tenancy agreement Quarterly tenancy rent £64 per annum and 6 cottages let on lease for 77 years from march 1868 (expires 16taken out for a term of 4 ¾ years at a rent of £250 per annum.
th Sept 1945) at a rent of £2 per annum. A new lease dated 29th Sept 1945 was Trade figures over a 10 year period 1939-49: 1939 = 248 barrels; 1940 = 248 barrels; 1941= 345 barrels; 1942 = 464 barrels; 1943 = 511 barrels; 1944 = 422 barrels; 1945 = 496 barrels; 1947 = 421 barrels; 1948 = 508 barrels; 1949 = 266 barrels. I can only presume from these figures that the war turned people to drink!
Proprietors: 1849 - 1850 M Cussell ; 1850 1856 J Cussell ; c1856 H Wesley; 1856 1861 John Watts; 1878 1891 John Woollatt ; 1892 1895 Ruth Woollatt; 1899 1905 Mrs Sarah Ann Woollatt ; 1909 1915 Miss Sarah A Woollatt ; c1923 Miss Edith Woollatt ; 1926 1930 Frederick Thomas Selby ; 1936 1940 Thomas H Foster; 1942 1944 Ralph Cecil Elliott ; c1948 Albert Cordier ; 1951 1956 Edward Arnold ; 1966 1971 Jim & Vicky Dansie.
Email from Jerry Kelley, USA, January 2010
My wife and I were married in Redhill in 1967. I was stationed at RAF Lakenheath (1966-1969). My wife's best friends step-father was from Redhill. In any case I saw your web site and very much enjoyed it as it brought back many pleasant memories. We had our reception at the Queens Arms. As you pointed out the Queens Arms was run from 1966 1971 by Jim & Vicky Dansie. I would like to add to your information. Jim and Vicky Dansie went on to the Desert Rat in Reigate. Their son Jimmy Dansie was the youngest publican in Britain at the George and Dragon in Redhill in 1966 or 1967.
Railway Belle - London Road (Presumably the same pub referred to as 'the Railway' in Jeremy Greenwood's booklet) Formerly 1 Ladbroke Terrace, let on lease to Mssrs Walter and Samuel Cutforth for 21 years from 25th March 1893 at a rent of £50 per annum. Property sold in 1898 by the trustees of Solomon Levey deceased. Licence refused 1910, which was presumably the end of it. In the picture the Railway Belle is the first building on the right.
And regarding the Railway Belle, this email received from Colin Goldsmith in November 2003: -
Whilst researching our family history Ive found out something you may be interested in. My Grandmother, Nellie Goldsmith nee Hill, was a barmaid in the Railway Belle pub at the time of her marriage in 1905 (it was in the pub that she met her future husband) and one of her sisters & husband ran it although I do not know their names. It looks as if they may well have been the last landlords before it shut.
Thanks, Colin, for that information gratefully received. See also the Home Cottage for more info from Colin.
Railway Inn - see Joshua Tree Railway Hotel - see 'Lakers' Railway Refreshment Rooms - Platform 3 Redhill Station David Vigar, a regular at the Home Cottage, e-mailed: - 'You might also like to include the refreshment rooms on platform three at Redhill railway station, which held a full justices' licence and was closed down some time in the 1970s. I remember that this was, in those days, the only place you could get a drink in the afternoons!'.
Although not a pub the refreshment rooms were open to the public, so are duly added. If anyone has any more information about them it would be gratefully received. AJM Feb 2003
Red Lion - 48 Linkfield Lane - (Ronnie Biggs favourite pub) The Red Lion was built c1750 and once had a full licence which it lost around 1825, becoming a beerhouse. Full licence restored 1949.
Email from Paul Barber
Surprised you didnt mention the Red Lion in Redhill was Ronnie Biggs the train robber's favourite pub. In one interview when he was asked what he missed most he cited sitting down on a Sunday having a pint in the Red Lion at Redhill! ...... I didn't know about that, Paul, much obliged for the information - AJM
Rising Sun - Whitepost Hill The Rising Sun public house, built c1750, was situated up the path leading from Elm Road to the top of Linkfield Street (today called Whitepost Hill); it too lost its licence in 1910. The newspaper report of the time shows no substantial reason for the refusal. The only negative point put forward at the licensing hearing was given by police Chief Constable James Metcalfe, and related to complaints of disorderly characters seen nearby. The Chief Constable said that it was undesirable that there should be a public house so near to the common. He added that he could not trace any of these 'loafers' to the Rising Sun, which was well conducted. It was pointed out that the common was used by all classes and by children, and that there were three schools nearby. It was admitted that there had never been any complaints against the premises and it was said that people picnicking on the common would go in there for hot water. The licensee, Mr John Thorning, said that he was able to live and keep his family at the house on the profit of £63 per annum produced there. Mr Clarke Hall, who appeared for the justices in the matter pointed out that Mr Thorning also worked part of his time at the Rose Brewery in Mill Street. He also gave the opinion that the White Lion in nearby Linkfield Street was a much better establishment in all respects and could easily cater for the Rising Sun's trade. He had said that the path by the front door of the Rising Sun was its only access. It seems that the odds were weighted against the pub on this occasion and that was that. The Chairman of the Justices said that the Authority did not think that the house was wanted and refused the licence. The Rising Sun ceased trading and never re-opened. It is now a private house.
In the top left photo, which dates from about 1905, the sign proclaims that it is serving Stansfield Ales. Stansfeld's Brewery was in Fulham, but they had an interest in Redhill when they bought Rose's Brewery in Mill Street, Redhill, which explains why John Thorning, the licencee, was working there part time.
1905 photo (above) and information about Standsfield Brewert courtesy Peter Williams
Right - The Rising Sun pictured in 2010, the centenary of its closure..
Royal Oak - 49 High Street Looking for info on the place where I got born - Email from Pete Ashmore, 31-Jan-2000
I am looking for info on an old Redhill pub which has long since been demolished (so they tell me) It was called the Royal Oak Public House and my grandfather, Ernie Ashmore was the publican. I have no idea whereabouts it stood but my recollection at the age of around 2 (we are talking 1946) is that it was on a corner with a road running up the left side of the pub when facing the front of it, and when I looked out of the first floor window to the right there was a bridge (presumably a railway bridge) over the road. Looking at a current street map of Redhill the only rail line over a road I can find is over Brighton Road just south of the town centre which would suggest the road alongside the pub may be Chapel Rd. I also believe that somewhere up this side road was the nursing home or hospital where I got born. If anybody has anything they can send me on the pub and /or the nursing home, annecdotes, photos, anything at all I will be very grateful. Thanks & regards, Pete Ashmore, Sydney Australia.
This is the pub that Pete Ashmore's Grandad ran. It was at 49 High Street, and filled the space between Lower Bridge and Grove Roads. Like the Queens Arms it was set at an angle to the road (for what reason is unknown, perhaps it was easier for coaches to pull up). This picture of it is taken from a 1927 advert in which the proprietor is shown as a Mrs Chalwin.
Information from Richard Symonds
Built circa 1848. Building of properties in Red Hill began in 1846. The land belonged to the Countess of Brooke and Warwick, widow of the 4th Lord Monson, on whose family estate Warwick Road, Station Road, High Street, and Grove Road were erected. This was Warwick Town which later became part of the modern Redhill. In December 1848 the Countess of Warwick leased the newly erected Royal Oak to J.Perren, who surrendered it to Nalder & Collyers Brewery of Croydon in 1851, together with stables, land and coach-house opposite, on Lord Monsons former estate. (SRO 337/1/85-87). Nalders re-assigned the lease to Thomas Barefoot in June the same year. Thomas retained the lease until his death in September 1874 when it was reassigned back into the hands of Howard Nalder of Nalder & Collyers Brewery, Croydon. N&C then retained the property until it was demolished in 1957 soon after its closure two years earlier. The licence lost was transferred to the Monson Arms which had been newly erected on the Green Lane estate. The 1892 Petty Sessional Report describes the Royal Oak as a 'fully Licensed house, owned and tied for trade by Nalder & Collyer of Croydon, brewers. Run by C.Neil who resides on the premises. The Inn is frequented by artisans and labourers.'
List of proprietors: 1848 -1851 J.Perren, 1851 1874 Thomas Barefoot, 1874 - c1878 William Howell, c1882 James Smith, 1891 1895 Clara Neil, 1900 - 1905 Samuel Orsler, 1909 1910 James Carter, 1915 - 1923 William Chalwin, c1926 Mrs A.Chalwin, c1930 Charles H.Wilson, 1936 1940 Jn William Mann, 1942 - 1948 Ernest Ashmore, c1951 Albert J.Varney, c1954 Mrs Beatrice Hall.
Note: 1907 directory shows Chas. H. Wilson (AJM).
The Royal Oak pub photographed in March 1955 by Ralph Henley. Notice how the roof sign has gone and the pub sign occupies a central position.
Sheepshearers Believed to have stood in Union (now Pendleton) Road or Somerset Road or close to their junction. This beer house was pulled down 1886 (can't trace where I got this date from - ajm). Jeremy Greenwood's booklet gives dates as built c1850 and demolished 1878. Additional information from Richard Symonds: - The Sheepshearers was built on Earlswood Common (at corner of Pendleton Road and Somerset Road) near the pond at the turning to Meadvale. A few cottages were added to it shortly after its erection and then a double-fronted house. The whole site was acquired in 1878 by the owner of the adjoining estate and promptly demolished! What, however, is less known is that the chain pond (map ref 270490) used to be known as Tichener's Pond, named after the licensee of the pub. Council workmen used to clean their horse and carts by drawing them through the pond. One day a cow drinking in the pond fell down a hole which turned out to be the old well of the pub. I have had a browse round the area many moons ago and found the licensee's grave near the west door of St John's Church. Thomas Tichener, died 1892 aged 73. Apparently I understand a son and grandson still live in the village.
Ship - Copse Road, Meadvale. It was a beerhouse licensed prior to 1869 owned and tied for trade to Bushell Watkins & Smith Ltd of Westerham, brewers, and run (in 1892) by a Mr J Bookham who resided on the premises. It was frequented by Cottagers and labourers. From 1900 to 1930, it was run successively by members of the Smith family, and then until its demolition by a Mrs M Pearce. Sometime during this latter period the pub gained a full licence. It was rebuilt in 1952 set further back from the road with a car park in front. When it was opened after the rebuilding it was stated that if the same house had been built before the war it would have cost £6,000. The actual cost was more in the region of £30,000. (Information and picture left courtesy Richard Symonds. Picture right November 2005 Alan Moore)
Two more pictures of the original Ship pub (photos courtesy Alan and Scott Bassett) In early October 2007 the Ship closed. The word being
that the site was to be a housing redevelopment
The Ship April 2008 with barriers set up around it to
prevent unauthorised use of the car park.
(picture kindly provided by Ashley Nicholls)
Email from Pauline Young.
I was looking at your item on thee old Ship Inn in Meadvale, and can possibly throuw some light on the landlords/ladies. Minnie Pearce, who you have listed as the landlady until the pub was rebuilt was the wife of my great uncle Albert Pearce - there used to be a large family of Pearces in the village, now all moved away. When they married, she was a widow with 2 children, I believe her husband had been Frederick W. Smith, of the family who had the licence before her, so the pub did, in a manner of speaking, stay in the family.
Ship and Anchor - 72 Brighton Road The landlord in 1888 was J.Tyrell and he was still there in 1898. At this time it was number 52 Brighton Road, renumbering apparently taking place in the early 1900s The licence was refused 1912 and presumably the pub closed shortly after. The building remained and by 1927 was in use as a laundry. It stood on the east side of the Brighton Road on the hill a little further up and on the opposite side to Dann's photo studio, from where these pictures of it were taken. All the buildings from Brook Road to the building with 'P.Wornham, Builder and Decorater' on its side were eventually demolished (see below).
Pictures courtesy Richard Symonds
Pictured left is the site of the Ship and Anchor in 1994. The double gabled building is the one that was once the premises of Peter Wornham, Builder and Decorator. The square building on the left occupies the site of the Ship and Anchor and the building that had the large window.
Somers Arms (1) - Corner of Brighton Road and Mill Street. This elegant building was built in 1817 by John Cocks on land leased from Lord Monson to take advantage of coaching trade on the new road opened in 1818 from Gatton Point to Povey Cross. The opening of the railway in 1841 seriously reduced the coaching traffic and the Somers Arms closed in 1846. The sign was said to have been transferred to a new Somers Arms at Reffells Bridge. The building became St John's vicarage until 1929 and was renamed 'The Firs', probablyby the Rev Gosse, who lived there for many years. No picture of it as a hostelry is known, the picture on the left dating from about 1914. In 1935 the building had a concrete addition in the International style appended to its southern side and the pair have looked less than elegant at times in the intervening years.
Somers Arms (2) - Reffells Bridge It is said that this pub began where the old Somers Arms left off, even that the same sign was used for both. The building was erected in 1853 and fronted premises used as a brewery for many years (the Cutforth Brothers Brewery sign can just be seen). Now no longer a pub this single story building is now known as Somers House.
In the picture on the right the old Somers Arms is the small white building left of picture. It can be seen how close it was to the Red Lion pub in the right foreground.
Email from John Reffell - Hi there, My family have a history of brewing and publicans and I believe that we may have had some contact in the distant past regarding The Somers Arms at Reffells Bridge in Redhill. My website details much history of the brewing side of the family in Surrey and Kent, I have now found some information concerning the Eagle Hotel at Reigate that I hope may be of some interest to you. One of John REFFELL's children was called Harriett, born 1829 in Shere. On 1/10/1850 she married Arthur John Charles WHITE who is noted on your excellent web site as being landlord of the Eagle in a Kelly's of 1862. You mention that this is not confirmed in the 1861 census. I have found that on this date, the family were in fact at Portswood Road in Southampton (reference: RG9; Piece: 682; Folio: 37; Page: 17), and thus probably did not move to Reigate until 1861/2. When this research is complete, I hope to add another page for this part of the WHITE family. Thanks once again for the terrific website - John.
Thanks very much for the information, John. Being as reference is aslo made to the Eagle Hotel at Reigate your email has been posted on the Pubs of Reigate webpage too. Best of luck with future research. Alan and Richard
For more information about the Reffell family and their associations see http://www.reffell.org.uk
William Monahan is listed here in the 1907 Kelly's Directory.
South Eastern Hotel - 9, Station Road, on the corner of Ladbroke Road
The name refers to the South Eastern Railway, which had a financial stake in the building of the railway to Redhill. The pub was closed in 1977 and later demolished as part of the redevelopment of the town. This picture was taken in 1937 on King George VI's coronation day.
1907 directory shows Sydney L. Taylor as Licensee
Picture courtesy Richard Symonds
Star - 1 Observatory Road The Star was leased to Henry Reffel by Lord Monson in 1869. Henry Reffell had a brewery nearby so this was probably one of his outlets and was run by a licencee. Information says that it closed 1893 but in 1898 the address was occupied by a beer retailer so must have remained a beer or ale house in spite this closure, which m,ight have been temporary. It finally closed in 1911 when the licence was transferred the the Noah's Ark, which was a pub elsewhere in Redhill. The premises was the first building on the north side of Observatory Road where it joined Sincots Road. In 1879 the proprietor was William Roffey, who was still there in 1888. In the 1898/99 street directory the name given at this address is Charles Dunham, beer retailer. It seems that in 1911 the (final) publican was William Watson.
Station Hotel - see 'Chestnut
Sultan - London Road
A 19c pub that had sawdust on the floor until the 1950s. Leased by Lord Monson in 1862 to Josph Peters to be run as a freehouse. He was still there in 1899 when it was bought for £2,000 by Cutforth Brothers with 48 years of the lease to run. The lower part of the building was later substantially altered as shown below right, presumably to cater for two bars. The original building was demolished and rebuilt as a much more modern pub in the late 1960s/early 70s, only to be re-demolished for good in 1977/8. It is pictured left around the turn of the century or a little later. The boys with bikes are there because Linter's 'Cylist's Rest' bike shop was next door and the picture was a photo opportunity that was either too good to miss or was even set up by George Linter the first place.
George Luscombe is listed there in the 1907 Kelly's Directory
Sussex Arms - Station Road
The pub stood on the south side of Station Road almost opposite St Matthews Church. Built 1850 and demolished c1960. A 1913 news item reporting the renewal of its licence stated that there had been only two tenants since 1889, James Reeves and Henry Castle. It was its owning brewery's only pub in Redhill. (1907 directory shows Mrs Jane Castle)
Pictures courtesy Richard Symonds.
Cheryl Douglas emailed to say: - 'James Reeves was my great-grandfather. He and his family are shown on the 1901 census at the Sussex Arms. His wife was Julia and there were 7 children. I believe he went to New Zealand at some point with some of the children but I don't know when. By all accounts he was a bit of a womaniser who liked a drink and my grandmother liked to tell the story of Julia throwing a bucket of water over him from the bedroom window when he came home late and drunk one night.'
And further information Cheryl obtained from the Surrey History Centre
In 1892 the pub was owned by the brewery, Bushell and Co., was fully licensed and the licensee was James Reeves. The character of the persons frequenting the pub was that of tradesmen and artisans. By 1904 it was owned by Oliver C. Apted. Bushell, Watkins and Smith were the brewers; licensee James Reeves. It served refreshments when asked and had 2 rooms, could stable 2 horses, had 1 wc and 1 urinal.
Grateful thanks to Cheryl
Sun - Corner of Queensway and London Road
Has pictures of old Redhill inside but in spite of being built in 1996 on the opposite corner to where the old Queens Arms had stood, and being situated on the Queensway, it missed the obvious naming opportunity, The Queens
The Junction at Redhill - see 'Firlot and Firkin'
Thimble and Nutmeg Grater
Formerly a beer retailer's shop in Warwick Road, its licence was refused in 1909, from whence its demise presumably came.
Tower -see 'Dog and Duck'
Warwick Hotel - Station Road
A nice old building set back from Station Road the road at the corner of Warwick Road it had the Warwick Tap behind. Another great loss to the town through redevelopment. Leased by the Countess of Warwick in 1850 to Thomas Neale. Demolished 1972. William Alex Thompson show as proprietor in 1907 directory.
The Warwick Hotel on Station Road with the Warwick Shades behind it in Warwick Road The Warwick Hotel c1914 when Harry Middleton was the proprietor This picture of the Warwick is the same one as above except that it has been cropped differently showing a letter B on the wall of a nearby building on the far right In October 2007 the old Bovril sign was uncovered during demolition. The L of BOVRIL is missing but part of the B was still there. (Picture Alan Moore) Geoff Soper of Redhill also took a picture of the uncovered sign and put the old and new pictures together to show how the larger scene might once have looked
(Reproduced with permission of Geoff Soper)
Email from Dean Ayres states that the Warwick Hotel was the first building in Redhill to have electric light
Warwick Brewery Tap (or Shades) - Station Road 8, Station Road. The Warwick Brewery itself stood down the covered alley that used to lead into Woolworth side entrance. It was put up for sale in 1869 on the instructions of a then late Mr Stephen Clifton. It included, 'a comfortable house with excellent cellars and storage presenting considerable frontage to the Station Road and complete brewery premises in rear, comprising brick-built brew house, malt store, vat store, four stalled stable, good yard. Pemises in the occupation of Mr W.A.Towns who carries on an important trade.' mineral water was made there (whether beer was made is unknown) and that the Warwick Brewery Tap was the shop attached which sold it
Warwick Tap (or Shades) - Warwick Road Stood behind the Warwick Hotel and can be seen in the first of the photos of the Warwick Hotel above. Wheatsheaf - see Firlot and Firkin
White Lion - 40 Linkfield Street A 16c building with first mention in the 17th century. Said to be the oldest building in continuous use as licensed premises in the Borough. The following 'Tale of a Traveller' appears in Phillips 1895 'Reigate Guide', and goes as follows: - 'A traveller...coming one afternoon, desired to have his horse shod. The landlord directed him to the nearest smithy at Reigate. On returning after nightfall he was stopped by a masked robber at Ringley Oak, then a narrow lane. With his holster pistol he (the traveller) shot the man, hastened on to his inn and having collected a party returned to the scene to find that his (dead) assailant was the landlord.' The pub once had a bowling green for its patrons on Redhill Common.
.....Picture courtesy Richard Symonds
Florence Owen is listed here in the 1907 Kelly's Directory
On 22nd February 2007 my wife and I popped into the White Lion for a lunchtime drink. This was the first time I had ever been into the premises after living in the area for many years. The pictures below were taken that day.
The pub pictured in February 2007 Our host behind the bar that day in 2007. The pub has since changed hands and is under new management. On sale in 2008 is IPA, Mild, Ruddles, Old Trip and Old Speckled Hen as well as some bottled light ales. Bright windows Because the White Lion is built with the Hill of Likfield Street rising behind it what were the old two separate bars were built at Grovehill Road Ground level with two floors of living accomodation built higher. The first level has since been converted for additional customer use; these are what are here described as upper areas. There is still substantial living accomodation on the top floor. Part of the upper area The fireplace Behind the bar The lower bar area More of the upper area
Below is a wonderful email, sent in July 2008, from David Young who used to live in the White Lion, his father being the landlord. In it he gives us a sight of how the pub was in the 1940s, but also tells us a great deal about how Redhill was too. The email is reproduced in its entirety.
.......Many, many, years ago (1941 - 1950), I lived in Redhill as a boy and lived on the edge of the common. My father was the landlord of the White Lion pub, in Linkfield Street and we lived there for all those years. I went to school in Cromwell Road and later, to Reigate Grammar School.
......I vividly recall the countless days spent playing on the common. I still remember everything about it, and if put there today, would know my way around without any difficulty. I knew that common like the back of my hand. In those days, entertainment was quite limited and children were pretty much left to their own devices. I think I spent practically every available hour, playing on that common. Your wonderful pictures bring back so many great memories. I recall lying on my back, in the grass, on the very top of the common, and watching ariel dogfights during the war and watching the sky filled with planes pulling Horsa gliders, heading for Europe. On a clear day you could see Chanctonbury Ring in Sussex from there and it was a great place for flying kites.
......The pond was known to us (all my little friends and I) as the "Frog Pond". Perhaps we named it that because of the jars of frog's spawn we gathered there. And the 'special clay' surrounding it, we called "Pug"; I can't imagine why. We used to attach balls of it to the top of a whippy stick and fling it great distances, like a slingshot.
......There was a small private school called 'Radnor School' on the edge of the common (just around the corner from the White Lion) and the gang of us little ruffians would attack the students of the school (from a considerable distance) with our 'pug sticks'. Great fun, as I recall. (wouldn't mind having a go at it still!)
......I remember well the little sweet shop on the corner, opposite the White Lion pub, having spent a great deal of time in there. Growing up during the war and then experiencing the transition back to peacetime, was something only those who had experienced it could understand. The sudden availability of sweets was truly amazing. You can imagine how it was for me, living opposite a sweet shop.
......A few years ago, while on a business trip to the UK, I made a point of driving through Redhill just to see what it was like. I was shocked at the changes. Parts seemed to be pretty much the same, like the railway station, the big old Odeon building, opposite and the end of town down towards the gas works (my end), but the town centre had all changed and was filled with buildings, that to me, would have looked more at home in the Kremlin, rather than an English town. I had trouble driving around and it took quite a while to get my bearings.
......What happened to the Sports Grounds? I used to go to football games there most Saturdays, to watch Redhill play. I remember that for an extra penny on the ticket price, they would raffle off the ball at half-time and give it out at the end of the game. These were in the days when you just couldn't buy footballs. How desperately I always wanted to win one, but never did.
......On the way home from the games, we always went through some sort of a market, as I recall, which was in a car park, somewhere near the Odeon and in back of the shops. They used to play 'housey-housey' (bingo) there under some sort of a tent. There was a market stall there that seemed to be on the cutting edge of stocking all the wonderful things that didn't seem to be available anywhere else (this was during that transition period after the war, probably around 1945-46). I remember finding blow-up balloons there and thinking that this was the most amazing discovery. Had never seen them before! They had American comic books there, too; probably my first introduction to American culture.
......And since I'm on a nostalgia kick, I'll mention a few more remembrances of Redhill .There was a sweet shop on the High Street (if that's the right name) called 'Latty's'. It was the first shop in Redhill to sell ice cream after the war. Of course, I'd never experienced it until then. They used to make it themselves and we (kids) would get there early and watch it going round and round in a machine behind the counter. The wait was almost unbearable. When they served it - for the first few weeks anyway - they didn't even have cones or wafers, they dished it out onto small squares of wax paper. We didn't care; it was heavenly!
......I remember being in the crowd that watched the Olympic torch being carried through Redhill. That would have been in 1948, and I remember watching the old cars come through on the annual London to Brighton race - probably about 1950. In addition to football at the Sports Grounds, there were many wonderful events held there. I remember participating in a track and field event. I've played cricket there and believe it or not, I attended a huge (and I do mean huge) bonfire there, with fireworks. It was either a Gay Fawkes thing or a VE Day celebration. I suspect it was the former. I saw a bicycle race there and a night time boxing program. It surely was a centrepiece of Redhill social life back then. What a shame that's all gone.
......At the end of the war, there was a fantastic street party on Grove Hill Road. There were tables set up down the centre of the road and everyone participated. Even the Mayor attended wearing his official Chain of Office. I remember winning a prize for a fancy-dress contest and for us kids, it was a memorable occasion.
......On my return to Redhill a few years ago, I of course, visited the White Lion pub. Amazing, it hadn't changed all that much. Of course, the lines between pub and residence had blurred a bit. Our old living room/dining room now housed a pool table (my Mum would have been disappointed). The parking lot (sorry, car park) had been expanded and a row of old cottages had been knocked down. Also gone, was an old barn in the back that many years ago, was a stable and housed horses. It was a delightful place for me to play as a child.
......What used to be our private garden is now an area where patrons can sit and eat or drink outside. I had my lunch out there and got a bit teary eyed; I could still see my Dad tending his vegetable garden and the spot where he had given me my own little area to plant my own garden. Its sad to go back in some ways, yet wonderful to be able to step back in time for a little while.
......I've lived in the States now for fifty years and I suppose, I'm about as American as you can get, yet down inside, I'm still a lad from Redhill. I'll never forget the wonderful years I spent there and in some ways, it will always be home to me.
......Please feel free to cut and paste any parts of this letter to use in any segments of your website. I'm sure there are others who will read it who had the same experiences and perhaps it will recall some pleasant memories for them, too.
....................David Young, Pennsylvania, USA
Email from a local person,
Hey there, I just stumbled upon your page regarding Redhill pubs and I have to admit I loved it, the entire thing was wonderfully informative and gave great insight to the local history.
I have to admit that I used to drink at the Dragon (formerly George and Dragon) on and off from late 2002, through several different owners until the recent change into an Indian Restaurant, I fear it seemed towards the end of the pubs life (before it became a Chinese pub/eatery) that the interest in the pub couldn't be revitalised, despite hosting events and running promotions, I always had the feeling that the owners were so grateful for any trade that they neglected to attempt to cater to any one group in specific. Having gotten to know the owners, they could easily have gained interest from the alternative/rock crowd who have no real place to go in town, though I am under the impression that the rough reputation of the pub from the late 80's through 90's put off many of the older crowd while many of the newer crowd seem to have yet to hear of any pub out of the immediate town center. When the Chinese owners took over, it was obvious they expected the pub to be more of a restaurant, despite running a constant promotion on their draught beers, it only worked out cheaper if you were inclined to drink Guinness, the "promotion" increasing the price of lagers and beers well up to the £3 price point, beyond what other places would charge.
Additionally I've recently started drinking in The White Lion, having recently been renovated by new owner John Connolly, the only real difference seems to be the removal of the pool table and fruit machine, in exchange for "comfy couches" after a brief stint of serving unimpressive pub fare, they have now (today, 6pm) relaunched with a thai menu, this does seem like a risky venture however as both the Junction and Marquis de Granby already cater Thai food and neither seem to be particularly popular. It seems now as if every pub with any sort of activity, is being weeded out slowly, soon if you want to enjoy a pint and a game of pool you're going to be limited to drinking at Reily's. I fear now I have less reason to attend the pub and worry incase John is putting too much stock in this relaunch when he could be solidfying the current user base. I should also add that this past weekend, John provided a free sample of the upcoming Thai menu which was quite popular and packed the pub with a lot of new faces, but the question must be asked which of those faces turned up only for a free meal?
This page is part of Alan Moore's website www.redhill-reigate-history.co.uk To see much more Redhill and Reigate local history go to index page .For comments or information about anything you have seen here please contact author
Before we leave the subject entirely, the above pub and its location is unidentified.
The only clue is what would appear to be 'Neale & Co' either side of the door.
If anyone has any ideas please contact author.
And another thing . . . . . .
This is a bottle from the Silver Stream Mineral works in Brighton Road, Redhill. Mr George Henry Lyle was in business there in 1898 and probably for a number of years either side of that. He celebrated his golden wedding in 1933 by when he must have been retired for some time as in 1927 the premises was a vetinary surgery, as it still is today. Any more information about Mr Lyle and the Silver Stream Mineral Works would be gratefully received.
Picture courtesy David Hunt
Email from Michael B Standen
Dear Sir, I have found refs to the above in 1891 & 1901 census which place him at 137 Brighton Road, Redhill as a Mineral Water Mnfr. He is also in Kelly's directory 1891. He was born Liverpool in 1862, his father Samuel also in same trade. He was in Tunbridge Wells 1885-1890 but not listed in on-line trade directories but there was a Daniel Lyle in the same business 1891 at Maidstone. No refs anywhere to Silver Stream Works.
Thanks to Michael for information about the Lyle family. (Michael also supplied information about the Home Cottege - see that pub) AJM
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